How do you create your fight scenes?

[DiegoPalacios]

Yeah, some moves are flashy but not very practical....

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

Last time me got in fight, other guy broke down crying because it first time someone complimented him in years. His father used to call him "champ" and when me called him champ it trigger the waterworks.

[rmdooley]

Agreed, you often need to exaggerate fighting poses to make them come to life while drawing

Taking classes is just one way of doing research, there are plenty of other routes to explore. Depends on who you are as an individual (like if you're lazy so have to combine research with physical activity because otherwise why would you ever leave the house (this is me))

[rmdooley]

[DiegoPalacios]

For the realistic aspects of fights like punches and the use of weapons, i recommend you to research to have a basic grasp so their attacks and stances don`t look weird. (a character with an unhortodox fighting style is an exception, you can go bananas with it)

Even if you go full realistic, you can exagerate the moves to make them more impactful.

Hajime no ippo is a great example of conveying an intense and entertaining fight while keeping it somewhat realistic. Of course it is pretty exagerated, those cool shockwaves don`t appear in real fights, but help to convey the strenght and speed of a punch. And the effect they did for a faint was pretty dope too.

[skicoak]

Hajime no ippo is a great example of conveying an intense and entertaining fight while keeping it realistic.

Broooooooooooooo.....nooooooooooooooo!

That's not remotely realistic.

[Im_moron]

from what I understand, as far as I know, you gotta treat it like how you normally convey information to readers in a story.

have it clear and be sure to have it so the readers can see what's happening, I learned this from feedback given to me as well xD

for videos uhhh... I have this xD

[skicoak]

Last time me got in fight, other guy broke down crying because it first time someone complimented him in years. His father used to call him "champ" and when me called him champ it trigger the waterworks.

You am fight dirty! No am fair.

[DiegoPalacios]

weeeeeeeeeeeel.................somewhat realistic then?

I said the moves and looks was exagerated..... But they keep most of the moves accurate at least (exagerated for dramatism) and inspired in real boxers. (at least the 2 first seasons, haven`t watched too much beyond that)

But yeah, it`s not full realism.

[rajillustration]

I think it depends on the type of story that you're telling, too. Like, I enjoy a completely unrealistic fight scene--a lot--scenes that are more like dances than fights. But, I can see how if you have a more gritty and realistic story, you need to have less insane punches to go with it.

I was reading about his author who talked about how he spent like over a year researching sword techniques (can't remember who this was) and they were gonna put it into several chapters of their comic to get their main character to learn the blade--as you do--but it was hella boring so he scrapped all of it. Although he now does fight scenes that are...less realistic...the entertainment was more important for his story. The story wasn't about the blade and how well and perfect he himself knows the blade, it was about getting the audience to be excited for his characters.

So, long story short, I think there is a stylistic choice in how extreme and weird you make your fights. I don't draw many fight scenes, but whenever I do, I always look at other people that did it better and just take notes--and then take all my reference and push it about 25% more than it should be. Illustration tends to lose energy after your done polishing it, so I like starting extra extreme.

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

Fight choreography compare to actual fighting like porn compare to actual sex. Neither person am particularly good-looking or skilled. Things usually end up on ground. Both people tire much too quickly. And there am far too much grunting for too little result.

[AVXP]

There's also the gap between you and your readers/audience.
How much you know (more) and how much they know (less),
And maintaining that relationship because, you know, writer's research the things they intend to write about.

It's also interesting how many things people believe because of television and movies.
I've heard someone say "The cops could have shot the gun out of their hand" Why? They saw it on television enough to think that's how it *could work in real life. No, they have no idea about the level (or lack of ) police/law enforcement training.

Same with Martial Arts and same with guns and swords.
Yep, that skinny character is going hold that heavy two-handed sword with one hand. Yep. Looks cool though.

I recently staring watching all those video like...
Former CIA operative watches spy scenes and reacts...
Mover, a real jet pilot watches the Top Gun 2 movie trailer and breaks it down...
Sword expert breaks down the Star Wars light sabers and duels....etc, etc..

Those are all interesting and even though movies have experts consultants on hand for everything, they mostly want to stretch things without breaking them. The character will be holding the gun correctly, but it will also never run out of bullets.

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

The character will be holding the gun correctly, but it will also never run out of bullets.

It fair to assume that they do reload offscreen, or in footage that ended up on cutting-room floor.

It's also interesting how many things people believe because of television and movies.I've heard someone say "The cops could have shot the gun out of their hand" Why? They saw it on television enough to think that's how it *could work in real life. No, they have no idea about the level (or lack of ) police/law enforcement training.

You touch on important point, that it mebbe moral obligation to do one's homework if story lean toward realistic side. Cars in real life don't explode so readily, but people think they do, so after accident they do all sorts of misguided things. Same thing with fights. People think that single punch not really do much damage, but people do die from them.

[AVXP]

It fair to assume that they do reload offscreen

Happens in continuous shots. The infamous character shooting more people than rounds the gun holds bullets- even when they use the bad guy's recovered gun- that was already fired during the battle.

Clips and magazines are the usual offenders.
John Wick was big on accuracy.
Everything else is Hollywood magic and I'm fine with that.

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

Mebbe in John Wick setting they use slightly-smaller ammo which lead to slightly-larger magazines.

[Random_Guy]

Really depends on the fighter.

I don't have the patience for in depth research but when I design a fight scene, I like to consider every aspect.
This character might use their hat to blind the opponent, or another character might go for a leg strike cause they're short.

It really depends on the size and personality of the characters, whether they'll go for underhanded techniques or they just don't have any combat training.

[summermcallen]

someone asked the same question a while back. maybe it helps: https://forums.tapas.io/t/drawing-martial-arts-scenes/40476

[SilentHamster102]

John Wick was big on accuracy

John Wick is a good movie (1st part) but I can't see it's action scenes with serious look. Heat movie for example is far more accurate portrayal of action IMHO (and one of my favorite movies).

And Hollywood magic is fine, but not when it's too much altering reality, but again, it's IMHO.

[AVXP]

That should be expected since Heat is a fantasy plot happening in the real world.
John Wick is a fantasy plot happening in a fantasy world.
Unless you believe every 5th person is an assassin.

In context, the GUN PARTS showed attention to detail and didn't stray super-far into fantasy land.

[33rdCenturyCaveman]

John Wick universe have auto-leveling system like Skyrim. It not that every fifth person am normally assassin, it just that way when John Wick in area.