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If you answer this question, it would help me write my story better

"This is a sincere question, I don't mean any disrespect" Okay they say heaven is suppose to be this perfect place. So if heaven is really and truly a perfect place of happiness then why did the watcher angels on mount Hermon rebel against God and seek certain joys that human men enjoyed when they took wives?

I mean really think about it, if heaven was truly perfect then why would highly intelligent beings like angels risk getting kicked out of heaven so that they could seek human joys?

I would love to hear all your different answers

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Angels are not part of heaven, as in enjoying it. It's a job for them. They work for god. "servants of God".

Because the angels that rebelled developed ego. Ego is never happy no matter how much it gets.

Their goal is to separate as many souls as they can from God. That way, they diminish the existence of God in wherever realm or planet they're in.

But God is everywhere right?

There was this place I once knew of in my teen years that was an obvious front business for gangsters that was 5 mins away from the local police station... obviously "protected" :laughing: because the gangsters were really flaunting themselves... where is God there? Maybe a small crack somewhere? But the predominant aura of the place was evil.

No wonder there's atheists. "Where is God when all I can see is evil?!?" As their classic argument says.

Hope this answers your question.

I can’t believe I am getting into theology…

It’s because people often confuse elements of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Heaven as Christians understand it was something that developed later during the development of the New Testament.

While how its interpretation in the Old Testament has been sort of retcon by some Christians to fit a narrative. Heaven is also just a word for sky and doesn’t always mean the afterlife paradise. If anything, the paradise version of heaven is not from the Old Testament and is not something Jewish people believe.

The reason why the angels left to Earth was because they wanted to “take wives” on Earth. They were horny.

So you're saying the joy of being with beautiful and loveable women is powerful enough to drop some angels out of heaven? hmm I see

I think you skipped over the part where I said

EDIT: Also adding that Enoch is not part of the Christian canon. Most Christians do not believe it to be true. The events in Enoch have nothing to do with Heaven in the Bible.

@NickRowler I genuenly love the use of canon refering to christian religion, and, to be exact, the cristhian god can be separated in three beings, like the triforce of zelda.
Here's the link to the wikipedia page regarding this. hope it can be useful to you @Silver7

Also got another page about heaven in In Jewish cosmology. could you check it and see if you find it correct if you have the knowledge?
it does warn that some of the information might be incorrect or biased.

I'd recommend reading works that play around with the concept of angels. Good Omens, Paradise Lost, maybe Evangelion too

I don't know why you are bring up the Trinity, it has nothing to do with this topic. The Book of Enoch is a Jewish text and is not part of most Christian sects. You can not use Christians views on Heaven to interrupt Enoch because it wasn't created for Christians.

EDIT: Google says a lot of Jewish people don't treat Enoch as canon either.

@NickRowler
yeah sorry, I was looking on my wiki link folder about religion and had this on the recent searches while looking for what you were talking about so they could read more about it on their own, I'm sorry for getting out of topic.

I know the whole concept of religious canon is a bit confusing, I didn't really learn about it until in college where talking about that sort of stuff wasn't taboo.

From my understanding, when Christianity was forming into a religion, there were a lot of different variations of it. So people got together and decided to condense everything together, thus forming the New Testament. This is why there are 4 different versions of Jesus's life. But there is also controversy about the Book of Revelation, the last book to enter the canon. There isn't a lot of evidence to back up what is said in Revelations is true. Because of this, some sects reject it.

You're expecting too much from a wide collection of writings by a large number of wannabe prophets that were later cherry-picked and cobbled together because they were the least difficult to explain to an uneducated serf.

These inconsistencies are why theologians always resort to "ineffable" in the end.

Just do what every believer does and use religion as you want regardless of what the books say.

One last suggestion. Use what ya want, but use it seriously. My comics has religion throughout it and mythology, but the subject is not mocked. It's treated as if it was real in the world. Most people take fictional mythologies (like LotR or Star Wars) more serious than religions people actually believe. Don't be that guy and mock it. And that includes Christianity (which I'm not one) which seems to be the easy route for most writers.

@NickRowler From what I understand, the Book of Revelations was a series of visions shown to John the Beloved during his exile on the Island of Patmos. He wrote his account of Jesus' ministry after recording Revelations.

That's a thought-provoking question! It makes me think about how even in a "perfect" place, there can still be feelings of longing or curiosity. I mean, I’ve always found that sometimes when things seem too good to be true, it can make you wonder what you're missing out on. The idea that these angels might have wanted to experience human emotions like love and desire is kind of relatable—like when we crave things that seem out of reach. It really makes you consider if perfection is just a matter of perspective, and their choice to rebel could show that even powerful beings aren't immune to wanting more from life.