If the angels broke God's rule and had children with humans then does that mean heaven might not be a place of perfect happiness?

[Silver7]

I'm writing a 7K word story and you guys answering this question would help a lot

Okay so what I'm asking is if heaven was a perfect place of happiness where the angels are satisfied with their lives then a angel wouldn't feel the need to rebel and have children with human women like what is mentioned in The Book of Enoch.

So maybe heaven is a place where God rules but not a place of perfect happiness like what Christianity teaches???

[moontokkym]

I'm going to skip over the cult stuff to ask you a different question to help you find an answer yourself:

What is a perfect place to you?

Picture it. Picture how your day to day life would be in this place, is it somewhere where you are happy? Free? Never bored? Never alone? Never afraid? What would that look like? Who would be there? What would you do?

Now picture someone else, also a good kind, generous, selfless person worthy of a heaven of their own, but they've lived a completely different life to yours. They have completely different tastes, what feels like a good time to you bores or frightens them and vice versa.

Could you be living happily together in the same heaven? When your bliss and theirs are incompatible?

This is of course nothing new in terms of philosophy, it's 101 stuff, but I feel like having a good think about how this could be worked out logistically would help you more than anyone else just giving you their answer.

[kyupol]

Angels breaking God's commands = even angels can grow ego. Why there are devils.

With ego, it doesn't matter what your external circumstances or talents are. You can live in "heaven" but you will always be miserable as youre trapped in your "hell" which is maintained by the ego which generates the illusion.

Pay attention to the world's problems... especially wars. The common people never want a war. Its always the spoiled entitled elites who arent happy with what they already have, and STILL decide to start wars where the common people die.

Also, look at North Korean Christians who pity American Christians even though they are hiding like rats to practice their faith. Because to them, American Christians are far away from the book of acts therefore farther away from God than them.

And I've seen poor kids in the Philippines who resort to eating from the garbage, that are happier than some spoiled suburban western kids who each have more toys than 100 of these poor kids combined, and have an excess of food.

[PeteLensing]

The angel understood that god put his moralistic rules over the natural sexuality
and instincts.

[NickRowler]

I don’t really believe heaven is a real place. Tho there is media that goes into questioning the purity of heaven. Hazbin Hotel is a recent example.

[abigaillmartin]

@Silver7 GO! GET! SOME! THERAPY! 🫪

[Silver7]

Picture it. Picture how your day to day life would be in this place, is it somewhere where you are happy? Free? Never bored? Never alone? Never afraid? What would that look like? Who would be there? What would you do?

Well my childhood was like heaven, it was a time when I had a lot of friends and family around me, I was never really alone, I wasn't bored most of the time and I had a good state of mind at the time. So I guess having friends and family around and having a good state of mind is heaven

[General_Li_Shang]

Never had a fun Friday evening with the boys, huh?

[moontokkym]

Great, now do the second half of what I said. You need to keep thinking because the bit about other people is the bit where you practice empathy and seeing different perspectives and that's really important for character writing.

Say, someone who feels most at peace when they're alone with their thoughts, who values tranquillity above bustling noise in terms of their happiness, someone whose heaven would be them in a little hut listening to the sea for hours on end, alone with their thoughts and whims.

Would there be a way to find a heaven that perfectly fits both of your ideas of bliss? Or would there logistically have to be different heavens for every person? How would relationships with other heaven-dwellers work if that were the case?

These questions should have you questioning what exactly the nature of heaven could be, and how limitations in practice could work, leading you to come up with a more precise definition of how you believe heaven would function.

[KevinReijnders]

And what exactly is your... idk, point?

"poor people are happier than rich people, therefore we should all be poor?"
"suffering is all just in your head?"
"the whole world is fake?"

You always seem to be preaching in favor of some kind of poverty cult that just accepts ones lot in life, as if improving ones material conditions isn't possible.
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Also, what did any of this have to do with OP's question ️

[kyupol]

Im not against improving one's lot in life. That would make me a hypocrite. Went from scraping by to being financially stable where I'm actually building wealth.

The point is to have an attitude where you're not completely attached to the outcome. I understand that something may happen where I can be back to being poor again. Life is fragile. You can never tell the future.

And if that happens I wont waste unnecessary energy complaining and wallowing in victim mindset.

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I was trying to answer the original question of why would angels rebel against God in heaven if heaven is so perfect.

And to my understanding of scripture, it has many layers of meanings that go beyond the literal meaning.

Just explaining it the best I can and I may be indeed, wrong. There have been countless people in history who have much higher IQ than me, who have studied the scriptures... and many can still challenge their theories and prove them wrong.

[Silver7]

Would there be a way to find a heaven that perfectly fits both of your ideas of bliss? Or would there logistically have to be different heavens for every person? How would relationships with other heaven-dwellers work if that were the case?

When I think about it, there would have to be multiple heavens and each person will have to pick which ever heaven suits them best. So in a nutshell heaven will have to be like a universe of different worlds that can satisfy different kinds of people

[Silver7]

Never had a fun Friday evening with the boys, huh?

No I've never had a Friday evening with the boys but believe me I do feel happy still

[abigaillmartin]

You sure about that? You don’t seem very happy to me.

[Silver7]

You sure about that? You don’t seem very happy to me.

I'm happy because I'm moving to the USA soon, so I will get a new start with my family

[abigaillmartin]

Oh, well that’s wonderful actually. I am also moving soon next week.
Going to culinary school.

[abigaillmartin]

That’s sweet. I hope that goes well for you. ️

[Silver7]

Oh, well that’s wonderful actually. I am also moving soon next week. Going to culinary school.

That sounds awesome, I hope everything works out