Is it that human beings weren't that bad or terrible to begin with?

[Silver7]

I read in the Book of Enoch/Genesis that mankind or humankind was at first good but it was later the Watcher angels who corrupted human beings by teaching them things that they were not ready to learn.

The Watchers taught mankind metal working (How to make weapons)

They taught them supernatural things as well

These Watcher Angels even taught women the art of sexual seduction by painting the eyes

So do you think that if this story in the Book of Enoch was true, Do you think that humans would have turned out to be less wicked throughout history if these Watcher Angels didn't corrupt the first humans?

[Lensing]

Humans were always like they are now.
It maybe got worse through money, religion, power etc.

To seriously believe or think about all that that Enoch/Genesis/Angel stuff is a sign
for me that a person needs psychological help.

[KevinReijnders]

I'm just gonna go ahead and direct you to this youtube channel. It covers and discusses a whole lot of stuff you are seemingly interested in, but also places it in a historical/academic context, instead of a religious/parochial one. Hopefully this will put you on a journey of understanding these myths from a different angle than literal meaning.

ESOTERICA

[faisalhussein394]

Many can make assumption on how mankind changes from good to bad or bad to good, grown to be bad or grown to be good.

For me, it's always about our experience, the advice we take, the lessons we learned, the idols we follow, and the influence bestowed upon us in life that will reveal the conclusion of who we are becoming, but most importantly, the decisions we want to be, either good or bad is always our choice.

Until we decide to change otherwise because we're unpredictable.

[LunarScyphozoa]

Humanity has been the same forever, we’re capable of some of the worst acts possible and some of the kindest. It’s very easy to believe humans are hopeless, cruel, selfish creatures, but we only made it this far because of cooperation and caring for each other. Anyone who tries to tell you everyone is lying about being kind is just telling on themself, it’s much easier to be kind for no reason than it is to rude for no reason.

[moontokkym]

Please stop taking these books as actual truth. The book of Enoch is considered heretical by almost every religion that birthed the thing, not even Christians or Jews think it's real for the most part, but it's one of the flat earther's favorites.

Taking this as gospel (pardon the pun) is making you believe women are somehow controlling you with eyeshadow. They're not. They're people. Please treat them as such.

Humans weren't corrupted by inventing smelting, and a green cut crease doesn't make women witches, do you hear yourself?

[abigaillmartin]

Again my friend. I advise you check out this guy

https://m.youtube.com/@maklelan

Seriously. Please. He’s great.

But seriously as he says “Grow the hell up”

[ThunderChicken]

Human beings are exactly as terrible as just about every other animal on Earth. Every animal is deeply programmed to eat, reproduce, and spread out into any suitable territory with absolutely no regard to any damage that they may do to that territory. Humans just happen to be really good at it. Lions do not spare a thought for the zebras that they eat, nor do they consider the rights of the family of cheetahs they might push out of a territory. Locusts do not care how many people or animals starve because of their voracious eating. Bass that enter a lake do not care about the trout that are already there. A herd of wildebeest will graze a plain to bare ground without thinking about the other animals that would like a bite of that grass.

We are unique in that we have a conscience about it, and we are unique in that we've used these intelligent brains of ours to great success. It's what we do with that success that makes us terrible.

[kyupol]

It's irrelevant if it's taken literally or figuratively.

Point of that is, human ego, which is birthed from the MIND is what causes pain, suffering, and many evils in the world.

Even if the watcher angels didn't corrupt us, our ego will do it for us.

Think of all the "isms" that mankind invented throughout history that had good intentions but only ended up causing more pain and suffering.

And everyone I know whose minds are too noisy and can't stop thinking are miserable one way or another. Even the ones whose ideas I mostly agree with.

And with that said, if ANYONE had absolute power and you enforce your utopia vision upon the world or on an area of the world... it is bound to cause pain and misery no matter what it is.

[jwabeasley]

In Genesis, we learn that the same capabilities that make humans greater than other animals (being like God) also enable us to be more evil than other animals. It is simultaneously blessing and curse. It is up to us to choose which via our actions and habits.

If you want to read some weird Christian-oriented esotericism, I recommend Bernardus Silvestris' Cosmographia over the Book of Enoch. It's both more interesting and less likely to make you crazy person.

[Lane_Kalchik]

I believe that everyone is born innocent and how 'bad' they are later is due to the environment they grow up in and how urgent their needs become, so much so that they may even forget the fundamental characteristics that make a person human

[skullforceagents]

Mankind may have issues, but did you know that ice cream doesn’t have any bones?