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  • Hey, I'm not a genre cop. Murder whoever you want.
  • This is a "Romantic Tragedy," which is a wholly different genre, and I will be very upset if you deceive me in this way.

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(I don't know why it's only showing one choice. In case you can't read it, the second choice says "This is called a "Romantic Tragedy," which is a wholly different genre.")

This is just for my own research because I know a lot of people don't care about the traditional definitions of genre, but a lot of people also do. Especially if they like reading a lot of it and it is their comfort zone. Feel free to throw in your 5 cents if you have any, especially since I assume we got some Lit majors on here.

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I don't think a happy ending is a requirement for the romance genre. I'd probably say Romantic Tragedy is basically a sub category of romance anyway? Romance is the driving force either way. Though on a personal level, when I do read romance, I am looking for a happy ending.

I think romantic-tragedy is a sub-genre, not a genre itself. To put it simply, romantic-tragedy is considered romance, but it's not the only way to write romance.

Generally North American convention, particularly in traditional publishing, dictates that hard-line romances should end in happily ever after or happily for now.

I like the line in the article 'not all love stories are romances' and I feel that's true. Most readers want a happy or hopeful ending for the couple in question especially if the entire focus of the story is building up that relationship.
Otherwise you have a drama story on your hands that features a love story.
Like look at K-dramas, most of them feature romances, but they're not always happy endings. Hence K-drama instead of K-romance

I really, really hate to say it, but in the US at least, the "romance" label requires a happily ever after ending. I personally loathe that, but it's how the market defines it. It's what the publishers go by, and it's what the established audience of those publishers expect.

That being said, the US =/= the entire world. Korea, for example, is far more accepting of tragic romances (which has a different ring than "romantic tragedy," doesn't it?), probably as a part of their love for tragic fiction in general.

I killed my characters before and it is mainly romance(?) so yeah, I will kill whoever I want as long as it fit the narrative, and I'll continue to do so as far as my imagination go.

Romeo and Juliet is considered the most iconic romance story to exist and ends horribly. I dunno why this is a debate lol

Me feel like Shakespeare was making commentary on tragic romance tropes. Juliet and Romeo were dumb kids who killed themselves because of poor communication skills and a surfeit of teen angst.

Ahem... there's no such thing as a "romantic tragedy." People are citing Shakespeare here, and Romeo and Juliet is a TRAGEDY, and is taught with the TRAGIC plays, and is not a romance. The romances were the "comedies"--Midsummer Nights Dream, Much Ado About Nothing, etc.

Basically: it can end in a wedding or a funeral. Wedding? Romance/Comedy. Funeral? Tragedy/Drama.

A Romance must have, if not a "happily ever after," a "happy for now" ending. If it is a tragic ending then genre wise would be considered more of a Drama.

Characters can die! But there must ultimately be a HFN or HEA for some pairing. Or it isn't a romance.

Yeah, in Romeo and Juliet the whole point of the story was the tragedy of the feuding families, how it kept two dumb kids from being together, and the great cost that finally made the families lay down their swords. The 'romance' was just a framing device.
The subject is love, but the genre is tragedy.

Personally YES. IMO as long as the story revolves around relationships or even just the concept of love it can be considered as a romance. I kinda dislike it when people try to police that romance can only end in happy endings. It's...unrealistic, but I understand why people dislike tragic/bittersweet endings because sometimes people just read for escapism.

People saying "Romeo and Juliet was a Romance story": Sorry, but I have to jump in here and say, it was not considered one when the play was originally written and performed.
When Shakespeare was writing, Novels didn't exist, the main way the populace engaged with fictional narratives was going to "hear" a play (the emphasis back then was on listening to the dialogue more than seeing the action) and genres of story were categorised differently, based more on ancient greek traditions. The modern "Romance Novel" really starts more with Jane Austen's work, which codified many of the tropes.
Shakespeare's work is broadly categorised into three genres:

Tragedy: A heroic person with a fatal flaw causes their own downfall and people die and we can all learn from it.
Comedy: A bunch of people have a load of misunderstandings and it all works out well and everyone gets married at the end.
History: "Based on real life events and people!"
It's actually muddier than that because some of the tragedies are also histories... but I won't go full English Lit class on you here.
In summary, Shakespeare's Comedies are much more recognisable as the root of the modern Romance genre. Much Ado about Nothing, A Midsummer Night's Dream etc.

The actual full title of the play is "The Tragedie of Romeo and Juliet". It's a TRAGEDY.

The fact that modern people see it as a Romance is utterly bizarre. It's about two silly teenagers who fall into what is clearly framed as a very sudden, infatuation, with strong hints that Romeo in particular has fallen for loads of other girls exactly like this (like at the start of the play, he's pining really hard for another girl he thought was everything who just dumped him and he immediately forgets her when he sees Juliet) including the fact that his name is Romeo! The kids get swept up in a relationship and because their parents come down so hard on it, they rebel, things get out of hand and it ends with a tragic waste of a number of young lives that teaches the families that their feud was pointless.

It's pretty clear if you pay attention to that play that you're not supposed to think this is a wonderful romance. It's two lustful, infatuated fifteen year olds.

I guess it depends on the content of the story. like if the story's focus is the romance of a relationship and one of them ends up dying before 'the end', that doesn't make the romantic times they had before that point any less romantic. (in fact sometimes it makes it more romantic.)

Personally I'd prefer if romances had more tragedy in them. I feel like it gives more depth to characters when they have to deal with difficult things, and puts extra layers of emotions on events that already happened.

"Wolf Children: Ame & Yuki" is a good example of what I'm talking about.

I honestly never knew that a romance had to end happily. I can't think of too many good ones that do at least. Look at Romeo + Juliet? That's as romantic as it gets and look how that ended. :sweat_smile:

Okay, here's the thing. You'll get a lot of people saying 'do whatever you like~ It's your story~" and they're not wrong there.

However, romance requires a happy-ever-after OR a happy-for-now ending. That is one of the defining things of the genre, and a non-negotiable. A publishing house will not accept your submission for a romance if it has a tragic ending because it ceases to be of the romance genre at that point.

Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy because they both die at the end and it's somewhat of a cautionary tale. Romeo and Juliet has romance as central to the plot, but it isn't in the genre of romance. (Like Guardians of the Galaxy has a romance sub-plot but yet it's still a sci-fi movie).

A romance would be more like All's Well That Ends Well or Midsummer Night's Dream.

Yes. (Writing more because Tapas requires me to do that to post).

You can have a Romantic Tragedy. Just look at Romeo and Juliet.

I mean romance dosen't always have to have a happy ending. I mean isn't that why Romantic Tragedies are a subgenre?