Then again the definition of ‘spreading hate’ varies depending on the person. Who will judge what is a bad faith, hateful rhetoric, what is the truth? The billionaire, the general masses, the ‘right’ ones? It’s the one in the power. Therefore, the pendulum swings both ways. Thank you. I’m out.
There is a misconception of what free speech is, people often think it is the right to be able to say anything, that is not true. Defamation is not covered under free speech. That is what he is guilty of. He encouraged people to harass minors who were dealing with PTSD. Even if the harassment was not "violent" it still caused harm to people.
The studies that show an uptick in hate crimes against people who have lies, misinformation, and hate speech spread about them.
Verifiable evidence and peer reviewed studies.
Yea in a dictatorship or a government structure of a similar caliber, though I do recognize the truth in "the victors write history."
Again, each side will create something to back their point of view/defense. There’s a lot of studies that were created solely to oppress minorities.
It’ll be great if both sides agrees which one is verifiable though, again each side and maybe one more than the others will use anything, in my case, people on the right, to oppress their opposition.
Defamation is really hard to prove. And it’s also a tool used to oppress minorities too. I’m really tired, though, i’m out.
"Discourse" is almost universally just a bunch of people with a poor grasp on rhetoric or research arguing with a bunch of other people who also have a poor grasp on rhetoric or research.
You get the people who passionately believe in a topic and will post a thousand essay or video recommendations about the Discourse Topic to help change the minds of those who are currently opposed to them, wasting hours of their life on something that will never change because, honestly, nobody clicks those links. Then you have the bad faith actors who know the aim of the people they are engaging with, and try to rile them up or get them off-track (you see this constantly with any Discourse having to do with certain People's Republics). Then, of course, you have the people so far in the weeds, so angrily fighting whatever internet war they've been dragged into, that they have stopped being able to see what is actually discussed and have resorted more to tribalism with the people who agree with them.
I'm not even thinking about anything specific here. Sometimes huge weighty issues like racist institutions and authortarian governments are thrown in, though most of the time it's "///This fandom thing is Problematic and here's why, my thread ///" and it's all just drama. It doesn't matter the topic; I think some people just really want to argue about stuff, regardless of how informed they actually are about it. I've seen too many wonderful internet people, both celebrities and acquaintances, devolve into Discourse Machines; all they can do is talk about "takes" and "lrt" snark and post "yikes" about fifteen times a day. It genuinely makes me really sad.
If I had access to unlimited power for one week, my first act as world dictator would be to delete Twitter and delete all web archive backups of all tweets ever made. This is how much I hate the Discourse and what it's done to friends and acquaintances over the years.
That's a load of bullshit and you know it. I tested the theory and posted a innocuous thread talking about people's experiences as minority creators and how it relates to characters and it got locked immediately when someone had a civil disagreement with someone. No fighting, no nothing. It used to be in the past you could discuss issues like this openly but the moment the mods see a thread that could remotely be seen as political, they lock it no matter how useful it could be and civil it is. I've had posts flagged for literally nothing, posts that the OP of the thread agreed with. This forum is a goddamn cesspool.
@VibrantFox so you're implying i'm promoting hate speech and not that twitter and other platforms censor creators over nearly nothing? People get banned nowadays over the stupidest shit. Wow what a useless hot take and kinda really rude to make that assumption, dude. Most of the times i've been censored was my discussion of being a minority. Can't wait for you to get banned over nothing and see how it feels lol
again never once said this and desperately wish people would stop putting words in my mouth 
I'm wholly aware of the fact that ppl on online platforms get suspended over pure bs and i've watched it happen to my own online mutuals (very recently in fact) Literally a few days ago saw two mutuals get banned for drawing miku plus sized with dark skin and a tooth gap. Both of them got mass reported even though their actions were innocuous and their accounts were suspended. One of the two litteraly got threats that they should be r*ped.
Do not accuse me of such senseless bs when I never uttered such things and if in some way i did please please show me.
You literally replied to me with a comic that i'm just an asshole for saying I prefer sites with free speech assuming that my enjoyment on being on sites that promote free speech = i'm on a site that promotes hate speech and i'm just a shitty person. I didn't even mention what sites I was on or what I was doing on there and you literally compared it to hate speech without any context.
that was not my intention when sharing the comic at all??? I never directed at you specifically that you were any kind of awful person nor that you were someone promoting any kind of hate speech. Yes the language of the conic is strong but the context I had hoped would be read from it is that in some instances what people view as infringement of their right to free speech isn't and might instead be people opting to not host or interact with certain opinions or ideas which is what I'm almost certain I'd attempted to elaborate in another reply.
I admit maybe I've been guilty of being hasty in my replies, not taking time to think nor reflect and thus posting whilst emotional and in the same vein impulsively without reading or rectifying places where things could be taken out of context as you seem to have done so for that I apologize.
And in that situation, it probably wasn't Twitter as an entity deplatforming those users. It was other users using Twitter's self regulation tools to intentionally deplatform people for doing nothing wrong.
I have heard mods discuss why they do what they do. In the past when they allowed people to discuss anything political, it caused people to fight. It got a bit out of control and turned turned them in to "a goddamn cesspool". They decided the best decisions was to lock political threads and encourage users to make posts that focus more on comics and less heated topics.
I do agree that having an open discussion about more serious topics would be useful, however these forums usually only have a couple mods who are suppose to look over everything and scroll through hundreds of posts of discussions to decided if everything is civil or not. And I have ran into several occasions where toxic discourse in the forums were over looked due to mods not having the ability to look at everything. I think if there were more mods and a stricter vetting of trolls, then being able to have those kinds of discussions would be possible.
Also flagged posts are usually flagged by users. It could be possible that "civil disagreement" was not that civil at all. But honestly I don't know what example you are even referring to.
Legit question: why??
I thought the role of a moderator was to step in when there's a specific, obvious problem, or when their attention is called to something. Not to babysit the forum looking for trouble (or in many cases, potential trouble) they can stamp out.
Of course that would take more manpower, but IMO it's hardly necessary. =/ This is just a webcomic forum, representing a very tiny slice of a relatively small internet demographic. We don't need 24/7 surveillance.
I do remember the past where things were less strict...trolls usually just got flagged and banned. There were rarely more than 2 or 3 big discussions a week, let alone arguments, and when there were arguments, we usually just let them run their course. The number of people involved would dwindle down until only the most stubborn were left, or until the issue itself just fizzled out; whichever came first.
It wasn't the most peaceful system, but it worked fine, and it didn't feel like a 'cesspool' to me (if you don't want to see drama, you can always just mute the threads...). I can understand why maybe some might want to improve on that environment, but I really can't see how it was so untenable that there was no other option...
...Anyway, this has kind of turned into its own 'discourse', hasn't it? A long thread of internet arguments about whether or not internet arguments are useful. ^^; I'm surprised it's still open...
Speaking on behalf of myself, I've been tracking this thread since Friday. Nothing's raised a flag for me yet to close it: there have been no personal attacks, discussion is still on topic, no post has gotten flagged by anyone for us to review, so it's been civil so far.
I think it's an important topic to discuss, since it does involve our experiences as creators and can be tied to the content we create.
But that's just me.
I can chime in on this as someone who used to moderate forums.
Back on Halo3boards, there were certain areas that I learned to pay more attention to than others. We had different sections of the forum just like Tapas has, and generally most of the trouble would happen in the political threads, or threads regarding certain current events. There was a lot of debate about whether or not to close all political threads in general, but we opted to make a section specifically for it to keep it all contained, but with heavy moderation. Most of my time was spent browsing those threads to keep things civil. We also had a few banned topics because they never failed to cause an argument. We had a team of 7 mods, including myself, and I probably spent about 5 or 6 hours a day lurking and posting consistently. With how busy everyone is nowadays, I can see why they'd want to go the extra mile and just not allow politics altogether.
This is how i felt terrorized and became abused for ten years by a gaslighter and was sure no one would believe me and only have been free for a few months. There is a point where there really isn't two sides. There is lies and twisting psychologically damaging words told to people to cover up bad behavior while the meek and the abused are to scared to speak up.
