JK Rowling Cancellation

[Iris-Grimoire]

Also, an extra point to the dangerous mindset she's trying to spread with this - that gender reassignment surgery is this easy thing, almost like having a pill, that people can do to change before you even know it. It's already bad in most countries even if they've got laws for it, but it's notorious in the UK how long it actually takes to get surgery - if she keeps pushing that it's super easy(using a tale that dangerous people just do it whenever) and people start asking for bigger restrictions, it's only going to take longer and longer to get the appointments trans people really need.

[HGohwell]

This is very true. I understand that up until quite recently (I'm not even sure if it has changed yet given how long our politics takes to do anything) you had to live as the gender you would like to transition to for a certain number of years and go through several doctors, including psychologist/physiatrists before you would even be considered for most medical options, or be allowed to put in paperwork for a court to consider you legally transitioned for passports and driver licenses ect. It's not a snap decision like she makes it sound.

[DukeOfOool]

I'm just here plopping by, I've listened to the video previously posted and read the articels posted, and I have to say THANK you all for such an orderly discussion, bringing forth an understandable point. I really enjoyed widening my horizon regarding about many things.

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I have a question not regarding JKR, but trans in general. Should I ask it here directly or create a new thread?

[HGohwell]

I'm on board when someone tells me they are transgender, except that your DNA doesn't change, just like she said. As hard as someone wants to try to be someone else, those life's building blocks still call the shots. \

Here's the problem: literally no one is saying X and Y chromosomes and DNA isn't a thing. JK hides behind "I'm just saying biological sex is real" to get away with saying awful harmful things, and we've already covered her outright lies.

What she's really saying is "sure I support transpeople, I just think that they're out of attack women in women's bathrooms and that they're attention seekers or trying to get away from homophobia or sexism by changing gender and it's all medical and social media brainwashing really, but I support them, I dont want them dead, I just don't want them in my spaces or near my kids or anything like that, but I support them".

[KRWright]

Should I ask it here directly or create a new thread?

I'd say it would be most relevant here rather than in a new place for now.

[Dane_Sherbet]

Sure, regular people can have all sorts of opinions and it's no big deal. But we have to hold public figures (and other people of influence) to a higher standard because the potential to cause harm is greater. What's reasonable behavior for you or me, among close friends, is not reasonable behavior for someone with the eyes of the world upon them.

[KRWright]

This is not how the world works though, and the larger your influencer, the more likely you are able to change things. Even a minute shift in a small percentage of the people she can reach, and that's a lot of people who could be persuaded into anti-trans views.

[HGohwell]

This is a rather naïve idea though. JK has the entire population of some countries following her. She's on TV. She gets news coverage. When she says something like "someone lost their job for saying sex is real" it goes out to millions. It only takes her a few seconds to say that and for millions of people hear it. And then way more effort to debunk it as lies. You can say she shouldn't be important all you like, but what she says has reach, and possibly most worryingly, a lot of reach with younger audiences and kids.

[IntoTheTempest]

It's not that they're better than anyone else. It's that they have more influence.

[scribesunlimited]

This is not how the world works though, and the larger your influencer, the more likely you are able to change things. Even a minute shift in a small percentage of the people she can reach, and that's a lot of people who could be persuaded into anti-trans views.

Sadly, very true. But it's not gonna discourage me from enjoying her work. And remember something. Just because someone famous says something, doesn't mean we have to agree with it, either. In the end, the anti-trans viewpoint is entirely up to the person on the other side of the message. NO ONE forces us to accept or agree with what some famous author says. That's up to our common senses. Or should I say "uncommon sense" because I rarely see common sense in the world today.

[IntoTheTempest]

You can't say you support trans people and give your money to a transphobe/and support transphobic media.

[HGohwell]

But it's not gonna discourage me from enjoying her work.

I really do hope you mean the HP books which are only vaguely problematic and not the new books this very thread has pointed out several times are actually transphobic in their content.

[Dane_Sherbet]

Maybe they didn't want to have this kind of influence. Maybe what they do, doesn't really make them fit to wield that influence. But the fact is that they do have this platform, this power, and if we don't do damage control, who will?

We live in a world where a Playboy bunny became the face of the antivaxx movement.

[byelacey]

I'm gonna have to agree with KR on this one. Supporting a transphobe is transphobia. It's very simple.

[Dane_Sherbet]

We're merely accusing you of acting the way you've been acting in this thread.

EDIT: When we challenge your opinions, that doesn't mean we're attacking you as a person. We are simply dealing with your statements the way adults do.

[KRWright]

That is your opinion. I kinda think you're trying to accuse me of being something I'm not. I'm not disregarding anything, I'm stating an opinion. Nothing more. No need to misinterpret me and trying to paint an unfavorable picture of my character. I'm actually curious why you're trying to do that...?

That isn't what happened here at all. There are lots of posts in this thread that counteract the points you wrote and I suggest that you do read them. Perhaps I should have made the general you clearer in my second sentence of that post though and for that I apologise.

[scribesunlimited]

That isn't what happened here at all. There are lots of posts in this thread that counteract the points you wrote and I suggest that you do read them. Perhaps I should have made the general you clearer in my second sentence of that post though and for that I apologise.

No offense, but I'm staying out of it.

[domisotto]

To counter her new book with yet another nefarious or comic cross-dresser I would like to instead read a book with a high-achieving trans-woman main whose accomplishments came after they have transitioned. Can someone suggest something like that? I so far read three books with trans mains, and I haven't seen one like that. Preferably adventure/fantasy.

[DukeOfOool]

Ok, Thanks for the go ahead. Well then.

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This here has nothing to do with JKR. If you want to join my headache go ahead. If not just ignore my blabbering.

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My question was..., wait first I need to explain:
-I think after following the public discourse long enough I found my 'believe' shattered that man/woman where words for sex and actually words for gender. This doesn't bother me, I just want clear definition by which I can talk.-
So I'm thinking why do we still add 'trans-' in front of man/woman when talking about people who don't fit the general sterotype of gender matching their sex? Is it out of courtesy for less interested people, like I was? Is is just because this term is already well established, used by the people of the community? I'm thinking this because if man/woman means then wouldn't it be redundant to state that it doesn't match with sex? Like talking about red and blue and stating btw. this isn't about sweet or sour.
Or am I just to utopic with my way of thinking. (Or just a moron, lol, me is very confused.)

[liamhernandezlucas]

I kind of want to see an adaptation of the story of Periocles where the curse is actually a blessing in disguise because Periocles was feeling there was something missing in life and is now a badass Huntress under Artemis.

Though that doesn't really adress the realities of physical transition. Because magic and all.

Ah, maybe a business drama where the protagonist reenters the office after transition and climbs up the corporate ladder with newfound confidence.