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Oct 2017

There is an old saying: "learn from your mistakes" and i wondered...¿why should you mess up when you can learn from the mistakes of other people?. The purpose of this post is to share your beginner mistakes or not so beginner mistakes when making comics or novels, so we can all learn from them.
Here are my mistakes:
1-Checking my comic like crazy, those count as views for your page.
2-Sharing your comic with people outside Tapas is cool, but if they dont create a Tapas account they cant like your comics or add them to their library. So you end up with"empty views"
3-If possible have someone to give you feedback before posting. I had a lot of feedback on the writing, but i should have asked my artistic cousin for tips to improve the visual aspects.

I hope my mistakes help you and if you have a helpful mess up, you can share it to help us improve.

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seems awesome
-not having a script ready when starting
-not having page templates
-not checking my grammar and vocabulary before posting (more times that I would like to admit)
-should ask for feedback before posting =V

the rest is just me being so critical of myself that I would remake pages like crazy

Hey, good idea!

  • Working 18 hours straight. No rest, no food, no stretching. My wrist was never the same again.
  • Not honing my artistic skills BEFORE drawing a comic for realz. Dude, I can't even look at my first pages 'cause CRINGE.
  • Thinking blending/blur = MAGIC INSTANT QUALITY TOOL AW YAS
  • Drawing lineart and details on the same layer. Flat coloring was a hellish experience.
  • Not using different colors for shadow/lighting. Atmosphere was NOT a thing.
  • Getting REAL mad over subscriber loss. They come, they go, no big deal. Now I lose at least 10 subs a week and go full

    THIS IS FINE.

I like this idea! Here are my mistakes:

  • Worrying more about reads and votes than my work
  • Trusting other writers that weren't real friends
  • Not focusing enough time on my craft
  • Feeling like a failed writer when I wasn't

After all these mistakes, I learned that I'm not a failure, and self-doubt will only keep me down if I let it.

Most of my mistakes come from not knowing my art program, lol.

  1. Not having a color pallet for characters (Dante my main character has magical tanning and lightening skin abilities :smiley:)
  2. Not writing a script (i didn't know i could past from another program into my art program, so i mostly winged it or wrote random stuff on papers scattered all over my desk)
  3. Having no clue how to do social media before I started posting.
  4. Having large post per episode, rather than breaking it up.

This was a big one for me too. I should have researched first.

ooooh this one XD such a rookie mistake I remember my first painted drawing I used that like it made the art look so professional :'D

Drawing on white.
It's so much easier to draw on a darker background (maybe it's just for me. Try it out :slight_smile:

And then the result was just plain dirty.
Ohhhh the memories. I'm glad to share it with someone else. :joy:

I literally had a model sheet just for color reference - which was pretty annoying to open whenever I needed - without knowing that my art program has a little palette where you can add colors. Felt really stupid back then :sweat_smile:

Oh... I still have no clue. Darn it. :sweat:

Yeah i didn't know that either so don't feel bad, lol. Now I have a pallet for a future color comic. Lucky my comic is in black and white so I don't think anyone noticed that sometimes people where darker on promo color art.

  • Not bothering to learn the shortcuts for my illustrator program

  • Uploading comics without using preview

  • Eating something messy near my sketch pad - but I'll never learn from this delicious mistake.

I like this.
My mistakes so far.
1. Not setting a buffer. Because of that Chapter 4 of Background People was put WAYYY too far. I was supposed to be done during September, and now it's October, so...facepalm. It's coming out today, I promise!
2. I rushed a few bits of Chapter 4, and it came out kinda hurried for me. I guess try to take your time, even though your subs are slowly dying?
3. Don't use YT while writing. It distracts you further from the job. Trust me, I've tried.
Hope this helps!!

My biggest mistakes... well...
- making stories from the first idea that poped out of my head for each episodes
- forgot about important details that must shown in one episode
- suddenly the story become dark and edgy because i drag the arc too long, it's hard to come back from it
- never consider to create Logline first

thats my mistakes when i created comic in Indonesian server (Webtoon), i wish i wont repeat the same mistake here :sweat:

My mistakes so far:

  • Not drawing regularly (longer breaks means changes in art style for me and so Remember1 looks a little... jumpy in that respect)
  • No buffer pages! @_@
  • If you want to print it, don't put speech bubbles TOO close to the page border, also remember the 3mm trimming around a page!
  • it's no shame to do some research when you don't know how something looks, better than just improvising and ending up with something definitely wrong XD
  • Building up a readership takes time. Don't let yourself get frustrated, if you stick to your comic, you WILL gain readers over time
  • You won't be able to make a living from your art that easily. As said above, it takes time and patience - and for the time being another source of money.
  • HAVE FUN DRAWING! Because if you don't have fun, people cann see/feel that when they are looking at your pages and they perceive them as sort of "lifeless" and - what's worse - "loveless". Always enjoy what you are doing, even if you are running late. Bad time management does not justify bad quality!

...just my 5ct to the topic =)

I don't know...I never tried to do a logline. I just wrote whatever came in my head.
Does it help though? I'm kinda curious...

well, i just try it now (for reboot of my failed webcomic due of those mistakes) and i think it's really works for me! it helped me to focus with the chatracter's goal, traits and plots. it make everything easier :slight_smile:

  • Using words like "just" too many times in my dialogue.

  • Writing page after page of description without actually advancing the plot.

  • Being too minimalist. Trying to use as few words as possible is generally good advice, but not if it gets in the way of clarity.

  • Not understanding speech/text composition

  • Not being dynamic

  • Not introducing and establishing side-characters properly

If i write it can be about making a pbj sandwish, it's gonna be two pages long. I go on and on, so I wish i had that problem.

Exposition isn't a bad thing, if you know when to use it. Was the sandwich important to the plot?

Is it really that bad though if there are people outside that actually bother to go check out your comic? Wouldn't that just be more audience for you? Or you rather just keep it to Tapas only? How does empty views work? Is it just people that read your comic without subbing to you? And it's... bad? - I'm just curious haha.

For me:

  • Not having a buffer. (My updates tend to consist of 40-60 panels nowadays, it's getting longer and every update I'm still rushing to finish it up just in the nick of time)
  • Not having every plot planned out completely. I know it's my style of writing story, but sometimes because of this I overlook plot holes and it's horrible when I look back.
  • Give into my multitasking habit more often than I want to. I draw 5 minutes, take a 15 minutes break. Repeat.
  • "It's fine, I still have time-" No, don't listen to that procrastination evildoer in your head.
  • not drawing characters with wrists, resulting in sausage arms for the first few chapters
  • obsessing over subscriber count/loss of subscribers
  • PROCRASTINATION
  • not taking time to practice/understand perspective
  • using multiple-tiny-line shading without the appropriate skill to pull it off. (early chapters don't look great. I've learned since, and from chapter 5 I'll be mixing it with cell shading.)

I posted my entire plotline as the story summary :sweat_smile: and leave very little to the readers imagination lol, good thing my buddy helped me rewrote it :sweat_smile:

But yah, mistakes are good teachers, I think it's a very valuable experience that I will remember for next time around for sure.

I agree having feedback from the right person would definitely helped with it comes to comic.

Also agree on your opinion about those empty views.
If I want to measure views to subs ratio, and long term retention rate of the subscribers on that particular platform, having random outsider who has no interest of subscribing to it makes it hard to measure the engagement rate, especially for long term story.
So I removed any outside direct link to my series in tapas, not that I have that many to begin with, to measure how does the series perform inside tapas itself.

It would have been better if i had my own website and send them there.
It`s more about the Tapas algorithm. It measures likes-subs per view. Or at least that is how i heard it works. I may be wrong. If i am wrong please correct me :sweat_smile:
Of course i appreciate people reading and enjoying my comic, but if the algorithm push me away, that means less people will reach my comic.

Maybe it would be better to link the people from outside Tapas to a website made by you. I think wordpress is good for that. Probably i will ask here about it.

I only heard of dead subs actually. Which mean if you have more subs than views, the Tapas algorithm will push you down on the trending line. More views is never bad, be it from your subs or your non subs! That is what I gathered though.

I hope you are right. I heard it`s about readers, but i had the doubt if it involved likes and subs. Thanks for the info!

Actually, the trending algorithm takes into account how many likes/shares/comments/new subs/views you had in the last few minutes for each sub you already have. If you have a lot of subs but less likes/shares/comments/new subs/views, no trending for you. No one knows the exact formula, but that's roughly how it works.
That's why dead subs are so bad. They don't give you the likes/shares/comments/new subs/views needed for trending.
That also means that people with very few subs can get to trending with just a handful of comments/likes. Sounds fair.

-Over thinking everything

  • UNDER thinking everything (usually when I'm frustrated and don't want to have to draw something again tbh or when I wanted to start a story, but the plot was still up in the air.)

-Getting bummed out over everything

-Saying 'meh, my story just isn't for everyone', but then getting sad when people would be like 'I don't like it'

-Saying 'I'll finish it later' (That phrase is written on the door to my personal hell)

It`s nice to know that, thanks a lot thekinginthesun!. Luckily, my subscribers are incredibly supporting and my like-per-subscriber ratio seems good :smile:

Yeah, I feel the same way, if you wanna drive traffic, why not to your own site? I just haven't got around to do it tho, maybe next time I'll ask around about it.