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Oct 2022

I never really considered myself a fan of mystery, probably because I've stereotyped it in my head as involving a crime/murder, probably set in modern-ish times and probably involving a protagonist that isn't personally invested in most, if any, of the incidents.

But I love deduction! I love reveals! Right now I'm obsessed over writing a mystery/romance visual novel of sorts where the 'mystery' is just figuring out how the love interest ticks in order to get the good ending. When do you step back, when do you pry? How do you interpret that thing she just did?

So yeah, what are your thoughts about 'mysteries' where the mystery isn't finding out who did a crime for what reason? Like maybe a natural disaster, or a character's history, or the fundamental laws of the universe*? Have you tried writing one? Have you not-tried writing one but realized you ended up writing one anyways because your story is very heavy on deduction/reveals/finding answers? Have you read/watched/played any?


*Ooh, ooh, I'm also excited about fantasies that take more of a 'mystery' approach to their magic system, which isn't laid out from the start or considered common knowledge among the experts, but figured out by the characters as the story goes :smiley:


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  • Why do you think mystery tends to be so heavily associated with crime?

  • If you're a fan of mystery, are you drawn to crime in particular? What interests you about it? Or are you drawn to mystery for some other reason?

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The first thought that comes to mind is Hotel Dusk: Room 215.
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I remember getting it because it was advertised as a detective game only to get to the third chapter and realize that it wasn’t taking it’s time or building up to the murder, this was just what the game was about. No one was going to die.

Yeah, it’s still leans towards that conversational interrogation thing in a lot of detective games for the DS. But it was more of a slice of life/drama about making peace with your past.

It’s good. I recommend it (if you know how to go about it).

I did write a non-crime "mystery" despite it's labeled as thriller, yet one of the comics I subbed (Clockwork) is a mystery that isn't involved with crime in general.

Mysteries can also involve family history or discovering the backstory of a character.

If someone has gone missing, you could make a mystery of that without having it be about crime or someone dying. I once saw a film where someone’s mom just abandoned the family and her son as an adult was trying to find her. The Catfish tv show also has the mystery of finding someone, even tho most of it is fake, it’s interesting watching them follow clues.

You could also have the mystery of discovery. Like unlocking the secrets of a house, finding missing artifacts, or finding the source of supernatural activity.

Interesting recommendations and ideas! I've thought of a few more questions (also added to the OP):

  • Why do you think mystery tends to be so heavily associated with crime?

  • If you're a fan of mystery, are you drawn to crime in particular? What interests you about it? Or are you drawn to mystery for some other reason?

I think it's because this is the most common real-world application of mystery-solving. And as usual, realism is king when it comes to fiction, as paradoxical as it sounds. ^^;

Like, if you tried to do this in real life:

...People would probably call you a creep and a stalker. =T

And even for something more mundane, like...trying to figure out why the lights at the convenience store come on after hours; I think the general consensus would be that something is wrong with you if you take it seriously enough to think critically about it and gather clues. Mystery-solving should only be reserved for serious, obvious problems...i.e. crimes.

Which is probably why the other half of mystery in popular culture usually concerns the occult-- i.e. a serious, obvious problem that was hiding in plain sight, and/or concerned a perpetrator that people simply didn't believe existed.

I think all of that may be the reason why I tend to get lost when I try to write mysteries...I'm just not that interested in crime, not even crime committed by demons and cryptids.
I do love to write about characters analyzing things and coming to understand a new situation or paradigm...but when I do that, before long a voice in my head comes up asking "um, there's no horrible crime or imminent danger, so who cares?"
And I find myself unable to answer...and then I find myself unable to write. (´。_。`)

Hmmm, I think that it might be more psychological, as mysteries tend to be associated with things out of the norm, or the unknown, and crime is considered as one of the biggest and most plausible unknown in our lives. Maybe, in a way, our brains connect the two through a mix of fear and survival instincts.

Hm, I guess that makes sense - certainly nothing obvious leaps out to me when I consider real-world mystery setups other than crime :stuck_out_tongue: Maybe a good place to start is to think of professions where one's job is to discover the truth about something:

  • Detectives
  • Doctors/Psychologists
  • Academics (scientists etc)

I guess a medical professional finding out what a patient is suffering from could make a compelling mystery. Even if it's not some rare and unknown ailment, people with complex symptoms get misdiagnosed all the time, and it's also serious enough to care about ...

Similarly with psychology; people aren't always great at communicating their thoughts and feelings - to understand someone, it's not as simple as taking everything they say at face value. Some people can only bring themselves to talk about their struggles through abstractions or allegory (a la 'asking for a friend'), and it's not always a thinly veiled one-to-one correspondence. Incidentally, (I might not have conveyed it clearly but) that's more like the kind of thing I'm trying to do here:

... it's not actually supposed to be about trying to dig into the love interest's life via stalking and stuff XD You talk to her, and you only get information she willingly gives you, but she doesn't communicate in a straightforward way and you have to really read into it and piece things together in order to understand how she ticks. By 'prying', I meant stuff like asking sensitive questions about her mental health - and if you end up piecing together an inaccurate picture of her feelings/intentions/experiences etc, she's the kind of person who'll just deal with it instead of correcting you and you get a bad ending :stuck_out_tongue:

The problem with this, I guess, is research. You really don't want to accidentally spread medical misinformation, where as criminology-related misinformation is comparatively harmless? (And why I'm more comfortable writing my psych-mystery as a story between people in a personal relationship rather than therapist and client, so I don't have to deal with diagnoses and stuff and risk screwing up XD) You could avoid this by doing this in a fantasy world and making everything up, but I can definitely see how this is fictionalized far less often than crime viewing things through the 'real-world' angle XD

(EDIT: Ah right, talking about psych-mystery reminded me of this game I played a long time ago where you work at a mental hospital for sentient plushies. It's no longer free but there are still some let's plays of it on YouTube :])


It seems academia has its problems too; now that I think about it, there isn't even often a specific question that you're trying to answer. With crime, it's 'who dun it' and with medicine, it's 'what is this person suffering from, and how can it be treated?' But with science, it's just kind of general discovery, pushing the bounds of human knowledge. You're not looking for anything in particular, you're just looking for more.

Well, people do end up zoning in on specific questions like 'does P=NP?', but to the average person, it's on the level of 'why do the lights at the convenience store come on after hours' in terms of why they should care. These questions are hard to motivate. Again, this could be fantasy-fied with an easier-to-motivate question like 'where does life come from' and a fantastical answer to that question, but again, I can definitely see how this is fictionalized far less often than crime viewing things through the 'real-world' angle :stuck_out_tongue:


Well that was fun to think about :smiley: Please excuse the wall of text XD


Ah, in a 'fear of the unknown' kind of way? Like mystery => unknown => danger => crime?

I don't know if you've watched it, but House M.D is the perfect example of this. It's all about a team of doctors trying to diagnose something that no other doctors could diagnose. Some of the time, there's a whole backstory to the patient, and some of the time, people think that a crime might've been committed to cause the whole thing, or at least some form of criminal activit like taking drugs or abuse, etc happened. However, it goes to show what things are assumed when bad things happen.

Interesting concept you have about the concept of a mystery romance where the protag tries to solve the love interests tics :thumbsup:

Yea same, love deduction and reveals, my comic is definitely more action- horror/ battle royale
but borrows lots from the mystery gnere with how the heroes come to understand the infection they spread, the source and the bizarre powers they acquire (which would fall in line with your magic system, mystery approach). Likewise everyone the main characters (two brothers) come across appear suspicious.

1) Funny enough never thought mystery was associated with crime XD
Watched too many horrors as a kid where mystery was integral to the plot I guess XD
Maybe crime was the genre that popularized it 1st? not sure.

2) A fan of mystery more, crime is cool but love mystery horror and cosmic horror more,
both of which put you in a state of curiosity of guessing what comes next with their bizarre and surreal clues. Also horror does have a habit of treating it's protags bad too so the stakes are higher XD Cosmic horror is fascinating with the fact there may be a looming presence, bigger than you, your protag and the universe, that's hella creepy, a mystery you can never fully grasp nor possibly defeat XD

Huh, interesting :0 I guess the first examples that come to my head if someone mentions 'mystery' happens to be crime, and the horror stuff I tend to mostly associate to mystery through crime via murder and stuff ... What are the works you instinctively think of first when someone mentions mystery? :smiley:

I guess I never really associated cosmic horror with mystery since my impression was there's no 'answer' because the whole point is that it's beyond human comprehension and will make you go insane if you tried to understand it :stuck_out_tongue:

The Ring USA remake XD because a tape murdering ppl sound absurd at 1st, only until the Rachel (mc) watch it after her niece was killed by it, she realize the reality of it and began to piece together the truth, with all the clues during the 7 days after watching it, the state of the other victims and the origin of the tape. ps. love the art aesthetic of that franchise :tv:

J-horror/Asian-Horror and Western remakes of them that followed the Ring success led many to have that mystery element. I rem there was a Thai one, can't rem the name, where a man suffering from backpain throughout, he was a photographer and tried to piece together a mystery via his old photos (forgot the reason), but he kept seeing this one woman in all his photos or something and...

spoiler

her ghost was on his back the whole time

XD

The human mind wouldn't give up so cosmic horror remains the biggest mystery there is =
better to make a false conclusion to give yourself some closure or as you said, simply ignore it and save yourself from going insane XD

The Ring sounds pretty crime-ish to me o_o I guess that makes sense though; my media repertoire has far less J-horror/Asian-Horror, so maybe that's why I associate mystery with more crime than 'pure' (non-crime) horror :stuck_out_tongue:

XD Yea I hear you, thinking about it, without the supernatural Ring can work as a detective story :tv:
Crime sentence: Imprisonment in a well while a woman tells you she ain't your #%$@ mommy XD

You have a good point bec most would associate mystery to crime, Sherlock Holmes, novels and real life murders on the news pre Tv. Guess we both had diff conditioning from the media we grew up with too.
For me interest in any tv show related to crime came much later in life compared to horror lol

Someone usu dies in the beginning of a horror so a crime scene usu develops,
only thing the monsters can't be taken into a court. Imagine Pennywise or Samara going to a court hearing XD

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