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Nov 2021

What are some of your pet peeves you see with how characters are written and developed? This can be trope related or something that you simply bugs you. And with these pet peeves, how would you fix them?

For me? One of my biggest pet peeves is the names writers pick for their characters. I start to loose interest if the author gives characters strange names. I have no issue with names from other cultures or even names from fantasy worlds, like Gimli. BUT if you are going to name a character, Frog, or something like that - please tell me why they are called that. These types of backstories add dimension to the character.

My pet peeve was born of countless leading male MCs with names like Xavier, Adan, Roon, etc. The stories are set in modern day, and the writers act like those names are as common as Michael, Matthew, or Peter.

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Probably when the main character just reacts to events instead of doing things. Like, I can understand if it’s the first few chapters of like, an isekai or urban fantasy thing and they just found this weird world thing, but once they learn things they should do stuff! Some characters keep this up the whole story, and it’s real annoying when the main character is basically a non entity with 0 free will

When perfectly understandable reactions are treated as the character's worst moments/never forgiven/the person causing the reaction is portrayed as right. Most recent example that's annoyed me, Character A doesn't like Character B, he's several times tried to disengage from Character B, he's walked away, he's said no I'm not talking to you, he tried to walk away again. Character B insistently got in his way and demanded attention and advice. Character A is portrayed as the bad guy in this situation and the right thing to do was relent and do as Character B asked. And what's worse is that fans are often of the same opinion "he should just give him advice, he's being mean". Now Character B notoriously can't read the room, he is so socially awkward it's painful, but Character A continuously goes out of his way to try and be away from Character B and is portrayed as the bad guy for saying leave me alone or I don't want to talk to you or even lashing out one time.

Obviously a very specific example, but it happens all the time that characters, especially shounen inspired MCs act in these really awful way and people reacting normally or understandably are the villains just for not automatically accepting their friendship and this shounen nonsense.

I don't watch a ton of anime, but I think I've seen that example you mentioned in other series. It feels like a poorly executed "Pride and Prejudice" dynamic but without the characters taking the time for self-improvement and getting to know the other person.

I don't mind unique names,but i saw (maybe even on forums) creator asking us for name advice, and some names were usual names, just in different countries, but some suggestions were weird spellings of basic/common names, why is it bad to give your character basic name? My mc is named Dawn which is pretty basic in my opinion, also i almost every character(except for literal random characters that are just there to be there ,like teachers, random classmates, etc) has name that tells about their personality/role in story

I hate when some character is portrayed as mean/evil (this depends on do you read some high school story where it usually is just mean person, or fantasy where antagonist wants to kill everyone) ....they are only on the evil side because we see story from the eyes of mc, for example in High School Musical (keep in mind i watched this AGES ago), Sharpay is villain only because Gabriela (i think that's her name) is mc, if roles were reversed and S was protagonist, she would of been seen as girl that did everything she could but still wasn't good enough , i'm also SURE that Disney would portray G as some new mean girl that stole everything from S.

There is also that movie called Zapped i think, where mc BRAINWASHES guys in her school just because they happen to be male ( she hated how messy her new step family is so she decides that every boy is messy????) and girl that stole her device is portrayed as evil? Now, i watched this when it came out (google says 2014) so i forgot everything, if i did ,feel free to correct me

Names are hard when you're not going for an english or germanic name. A simple example is DragoČ™. Sounds cool in a part of the world, derpy in another.

For many Mihail Popescu might be an exotic name,

Very recently, yesterday, I had a character called "Buffalo Nacablacam." I nicknamed her "Crash" real quick.

My rule is: Short or easy to roll of the tongue.


Really dislike this:

Suddenly forgetting your skills and experience because "development"


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And the whole "man dumb but lucky" stereotype.

I also hate manchild characters so basically every character
Will Ferrell ever played.

I think names are just a really tricky thing in general and you're never going to please everyone with them. As long as I like it, I've basically given up trying to please people with naming. For instance I have a character named Ruairi, which is basically pronounced Rory. Lots of people would say that's dumb why not just call him Rory then? But it's a legitimate celtic variation.

By biggest issue with names mostly falls into naming characters in the "modern" era. I wouldn't be opposed to a character named Ruairi, I would just like to know somewhere in the story how to pronounce it correctly. It's the same courtesy I try to give people IRL, since I know what it's like to have your given name mispronounced.

I've read stories a ton of stories where the leading man's name is Xavier, who is usually in his early to mid 30s. With the frequency it pops up, you'd assume the name was in the top ten baby boy names on the US Social Security Register for all of the 90s. The other thing with names is when people make them purposely hard. Where I live, there are a lot of white suburban moms who name their kids: McKendree, Chasitee, Rudger, Riddick, Toughknee. They overcomplicate names or invent names. I applaud creativity, but it gets to be too much.

i don't mind names from other cultures , i dislike when they literally add X,H or A to common name just to make it sound exotic, there are bunch of pretty names that you could use

I get where you're coming from on that, but they you have to ask where do you draw the line? It's one thing irl since you're saying it out loud most of the time or can ask someone, but in written form, how do you decide which names need a guide and don't?

For instance, I've met very few people who don't know how to pronounce Siobhan. It's not the sort of thing I'd have ever consider putting a pronunciation guide for until I wrote a story with an MC called Siobhan and realised that's a cultural thing and apparently lots of people don't know it's pronounced like Shevaun. And things like Fyodor, I've seen people ask how to pronounce that properly. And then the question of do you want to explain it in it's original accent or your own personal accent? I've seen people offended by the difference between Sandra with an sANDra and Sandra with an sAREndra because you're pronouncing it wrong. How is the author supposed to know that's what's commonly known to them and around them isn't commonly known to you? Like, should I make it clear how to pronounce Colonel and Lieutenant too since they're often mispronounced? It's a sort of murky area.

I like giving my character unusual names because it just a fun thing to do. I don't think I really need to explain myself at all. I think it sort of silly to expect writers to stick to only American names, it just get boring after awhile.

I don't know why you are being to hard on Xavier, that name is not that weird. And it might be a bit more popular than you think. At least in the US, it is more common as an African American name.

I think names get annoying when the author goes out of their way to make a name difficult to read or pronounce. Example, Elon Musk's child. With stuff like that, I would gladly prefer Apple or Frog instead.

I feel like it's not really fair to expect that from any given author...it really depends on the name, and on the setting. Like, let's say Siobhan moves from Ireland to, like, Middle-of-Nowhere Tennessee, and no one there knows how to pronounce her name, and the other characters mistakes come up often in conversation. The author has good reason and opportunity to explain the pronunciation.

But there are plenty of settings in which most people should already know how to pronounce her name...to give one example, in that name's country of origin. If I don't know how to pronounce it (and I don't think I learned how until I was, like, 17) and the author decides not to explain it in that context, since it would be unnatural, that's just...understandable. Like, it's my loss; at some point they can't be expected to make up for the reader's ignorance...especially considering the fact that it's a fairly common name. Maybe not everywhere, but still. =/ It's not their responsibility.

And honestly, you never do know the context a new name is coming from...a lot of Irish names would probably look equivalent to 'McKayleighnenanee' to those who don't know any better, simply because they tend to use more letters to represent certain syllables. But...it's not fair to judge them for that. I mean, that's how they're legitimately spelled in that culture; just because it's unfamiliar to you doesn't mean it's wrong or unnecessary, or needs to be justified.

I'd rather err on the side of caution and respect a 'weird' name, rather than criticize someone for using it and end up looking like a fool if it turns out to be common in a country I simply don't happen to live in. =/ But that's just me.

I think this is the thing for me with name guides. Like, if someone asks I'll tell them, but like when you start saying "give the readers a pronunciation guide for everything not common in America" that's a bit... not great? America-centric? Like at that point, I'd just say, give a pronunciation guide to all names. Who's to say my readers from countries where English isn't as common know how to pronounce Michael or Rebecca? I think as long as you're not making a name up and sticking a load of new letters in, I'm not that bothered by how people pronounce my characters names anymore. Who does it actually harm if they're pronouncing them wrong? Did it change Harry Potter than apparently lots of people didn't know how to pronounce Hermione? And if you're reading on Tapas, you probably have the internet and can look if up if it bothers you so much.

It's like, taking a step slightly to the side, I once had to explain to someone the reason a manga didn't explain how the Japanese school system works, is because they assume you know. Would you expect an American show to pause to explain how the American school system works? That's where I am on names; if people care, they can look it up or ask.

What annoys me is fake character development, so the character learned a lesson, sometimes even got a significative haircut, became more mature while keeping the original traits that makes them endearing......

but suddenly, all that is forgotten and the character behaves exactly like before their so called development.

Is understandable when a character struggles to learn the lesson.....but when said change of heart is dropped like an electric pencil, one has the urge to roll their eyes for all the wasted scenes that led to that so called development.

Another one that rubs me off is when a character changes so drastically that they are basically another character. Without a justification like a brainwash machine or possession, these changes becomes weird and breaks the willing suspension of disbelief.

I end up reading A Lot of web novels for work, and my current Absolute Least Favorite things to see are

Relatable Pathetic Lead - The lead whose main characteristics are "eats a lot", "is stupid", and "somehow everybody loves them or they need to save the universe". The dude version of this is usually horny, the girl version is usually clumsy and easily flustered. Especially in a drama, it really throws me off if the main character never seems to take things seriously or work towards things and that's not treated as a conflict. None of those are bad traits. Like, Luffy from One Piece may be a hungry dumbass, but he's also a pretty complicated character, if a very simple person.
Honestly, I'd rather have a character with no flaws than somebody who seems genuinely irritating and incompetent with no particular interesting points beyond a generic good heart and it's always played as cute and funny. It's supposed to be a 'relatable' thing, but isn't that... pretty harsh on your readers. I want leads who are active and driven, or at least inactive for interesting reasons!
I prefer my incompetent characters to be stone cold, unrelatable weirdos with baffling side skills. Like the entire cast of Noazaki-kun.

Surrounded by Props - My biggest nemesis is Dude Isekai where everyone just stands around to make the main character look good. Every lady is helpless and in love with him, or an evil seductress (and also in love with him). Every dude is a irredeemable asshole or the main character's lackey.
It speaks to a worldview I find genuinely creepy and upsetting, like the author can't imagine seeing people as anything other than "mine or in my way". (To be clear, this isn't limited to dude isekai, but it is where I see is the most) I also worry about young readers who read nothing but this stuff and talk about a character acknowledging flaws or apologizing as weak and uncool, and people who don't suck up to the lead character as evil.

The Trauma Chain - I like stories dealing with how we react to extreme circumstances, but so many authors seem to attempt to accomplish this by bring in a new trauma every five chapters. People can spend their entire life recovering from one terrible experience, but protagonists in these stories can lose their entire family in a fire and then, at the end of the season/book/arc, the author declares it dealt with and moves on. It's especially frustrating when a character I really love dies, and it's supposed to have this huge impact, but then they're just never mentioned again and nobody seems impacted by it. American TV seasons are particularly bad about this IMO.
For a good inverse, I love in FMA that Nina remains a guiding force for Ed and plays a role in his final decision at the gate. She's a side character, but, even if they didn't say her name, her impact stayed.

Characters who worship their sibling to an uncomfortable extent.
Not just praising their actions but like they get jealous if their sibling is interacting with potential love interests or whine if their sibling isn't paying them the utmost attention. It's annoying and frankly gross. I hate all the incesty vibes.

Fix it by having them not do that. :joy:

There's nothing wrong with the name, it's just not a favorite. In my head, I picture Professor X whenever I read the name, not the hunky leading man they are trying to paint.

Agreed about the names that are extra hard to read like Elon Musk's kid.

Oh, I've been burned by that before. It can make it hard to get into things for me because of how I haven't gotten the return on my emotional investment in the past. And at that point if feels less like I'm reading/watching a story and more like I'm observing a creator drive a perfectly functional car into a wall.

When every character in a story talks about how this character is so smart, but it ends at that. The character in question never does anything to prove they're smart. Just one dumb decision after another.