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Sep 2020

Something has been bugging me about Tapas for awhile, and it is something that's come up quite often in forum posts over the course of the several months I've been here and that's: why can't we reorder our episodes?

The thing about this question that bothers me most is it has been posed numerous times in numerous ways, and I've yet to see a response from an actual staff member that offers a logical explanation for why this isn't an option, or why it doesn't even seem like a priority when there's announcements regarding new features being worked on. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen it listed as a feature that is being worked on. And I guess I want to know why.

Really, this is quite a common feature on most other platforms. So much so, that its honestly a bit shocking to realize that it isn't offered on Tapas. While I understand that Tapas is new to Novels, the feature is something that Comic artists can use and have asked about before, as well.

I see people rolling their eyes. Why is this a big deal, Lina?

Not being able to re-order the episodes of a serialized work limits the creator's control over their narrative. This means I am not able to have very simple control over the presentation of my content.

Currently, the only options for rearranging episodes are to either:
a) delete everything up to where you want to insert a new episode and have to repost all of it or
b) copy/paste every episode/chapter that you have up and move it to the next one.

Obviously, there are problems with both of those options. With A, you lose all the likes/comments you have managed to get. With B, those likes/comments won't be reflective of the new content which is confusing, at best, and off-putting for new readers, at worse.

"It's a free site, just be happy they are providing a service."

Sure, it is a free site for me to use. However, at the same time, I would think that the site should care about the quality and presentation of the work on that site. If the site doesn't, then why should the artists?

Tapas already allows for the integration of music via soundcloud, and the community has found ways to hack the system and allow for the insertion of images (though limits on those images reduce the quality, but it is something that I, personally, can work with). Additionally, an extension was created to allow for authors to copy/paste their novels into Tapas without losing their formatting (I'll link to this at the bottom in case anyone missed it).

The community is stepping up to fix some of the things that limit (specifically novel) creators, but making it so that we can rearrange the orders of our episodes is not something we can do.

The absolute sheer beauty of working on a serial lies in the fact that a serial narrative is ever evolving. Choosing an open, digital platform means that writers have the ability to do far more than they would if they were to attempt a traditional publishing route. Authors can create side stories, character analyses, and appendices for their work. Artists have the freedom to go nuts with their stories and share their love of it with the world--BUT

For some, it takes time to get everything that you want to integrate into your story together. While things like illustrations can be inserted into existing episodes (if you do the Firefox hack), the limit on this doesn't really allow for, say, if I were to try and insert the images I want at the beginning of my novel at the top of my already published episode. (I've tried. It doesn't work. And it looks awful in the preview anyway.)

If, since we often start posting with nothing more than a story and a dream, we get things later like character art, maps for fantasy worlds, cover art, etc. that might need their own episodes, we've got no way of getting that were we want it. Our one option? shove it in wherever you are and hope for the best. I recently received a map for my story, and it is episode 52. Would be nice if I can move that to the front of my novel, but I can't. So there it sits, in the middle of the story, just hanging out.

Or maybe you were just new and didn't realize that Tapas prefers shorter shorter episodes of things, and your first ten chapters are 3-4k and posted. An author has no option to fix this mistake other than deleting and starting over (losing any ground they made) or manually shifting massive amounts of text (confusing their comments/statistics).

On the internet, we get one chance to make an impression, and on Tapas, that means we have the first few episodes to give readers a sense of what to expect if they want to read our stories. Not being able to control what is presented in those first few episodes hurts not only creators, but readers of the site who may not stick around for the goods that the story may deliver.

Perhaps there isn't anyone beating down the doors of Tapas HQ screaming about getting this feature, and that's why this pretty obvious oversight has been missed so far. I'd like to think that is the reason. And if so, consider this me knocking.

anyway, tldr: Tapas should really look into prioritizing giving creators the ability to rearrange the order of posted content / episodes. It's a pretty small ask, really. And if it isn't, I'd like to know why.

** If you're looking for the extension to preserve italic/bold formatting, its on the forum post here: https://forums.tapas.io/t/chrome-extension-to-paste-into-tapas-while-preserving-italics-bold/468581

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I have exactly 100% the same issue as you, Lina! I once talked to @KGhast who said he had to delete 100+ page content because he had to add a prologue scene he made later in the production of his comic, so now all that views and likes got deleted too. And it just bothers me because this has been an industry standard for most of Tapas' competitors.

I am not at all a professional programmer, and I have absolutely 0 experience with it either, so I am genuinely curious as to why this is the case. If there's a difficult programming issue that stops Tapas from giving us this feature, I would understand if they properly communicated it to us. But how come an amateur artist's comic book website has it but not Tapas?

And like, is it asking too much for us to be given this option? I am legit curious. Are we being petty and unreasonable for asking Re-Order Episode features on the site? I wish we could be given at least a proper explanation and not just an "It is what it is" statement.

I am not staff. I am tired. And I didn't read the whole post.

But in short, my best guess is likely "copyright".

Or rather better put : the time stamps on how stuff is submitted.

When you post something it is ordered into algorithms and data and timestamps attached to it for categories like Fresh / Newest and so on. In the short run on a smaller site this is no issue. In the longer run, this causes issue as things have stamps of time assigned to them. It likely also affects if someone is notified that you've updated your work or not.
Take for example: Archive of Our Own. To reorder your chapters you need to go in and mindfully ON YOUR OWN know what number you want to move #45 to, say #43. I've seen cases of code being screwed up where even if you write it correctly, the data glitches for various reasons and while it is named and appears as being re-assigned to #43, it actually will not appear there at all as people read from #1, or it will appear in a seperate area entirely, or not change it's actual space. And this requires staff to go in and tinker with data and make sure things are being checked.

Now adjust that to a site that hosts images and text, plus scheduling features - something Ao3 doesn't have.
If you schedule right now something for Sept24th 2020 for 1pm, and schedule something else for the same date and time, if I recall right, the first one you submitted will be listed to appear first, even though they're scheduled to appear at the same time but that might actually be Part-2 of the release. You can likely only adjust this by off-setting them by a minute at least. :thinking:

Tapas is relatively small and is constantly adjusting it's code. As a site that can't even figure out that they've overwritten the italics HTML code to work as their inline shortcut, because it'll involve reworking large portions of the site.... I'm sure it's the same sort of case. It wasn't an issue as much when the site was small because such few individuals would notice it + complain. Now that it's several years in, these issues are so deep into the coding, that the only fix is likely similar to deviantART totally redoing it's layout to repair issues. (Note that facebook by comparison instead layers all of it's past code on the site until the most recent Twitter-copy layout. My laptops would constantly load in code visually when I clicked to make a post, and would show me a text-box input that was used in 2013, and then as the page loads, it'll load to the more recent layers - literally passing through ALL of the steps the site has gone through before getting to the newest. It'd literally be so many steps my laptop wouldn't be able to let me post from my Home page on FB and instead I could only post if I did so from my Wall, because that page would load less of the code waffle that FB was a mess of.)

In short, for a lot of companies the idea is :: it's not broke, don't fix it. It's not broke, it's just functioning wrong... Should we fix it? Can we?
And that costs resources. For a site like tapas, they can't just go to a site like weebly and tweak a few things. They have to have at least 3 coders looking through their code constantly behind the scenes to keep things running while pushing out updates and tweaks and adjusting to see them in a "dummy site", that then won't work on the actual live site. Coding is a nightmare.

tldr; I agree it's going to be a nice feature when we get it. But likely if it wasn't thought of as "a thing we should have" since the beginning, it's going to be hard to just... squeeze it into existing code. Which is why we don't have italics for novels that well - the site wasn't initially built with novels in mind.

I just had this moment literally yesterday because I wanted to add details to my first chapter. I've already switched the parts of two chapters for flow purposes and the comments and likes are now off. And I wanted to add details to a battle scene in the middle of the arch and feel like I can't because I'll lose all the feedback I have and have to reorder everything that came after. Its inconvenient and makes me shy away from improvement, which should not be the case.

I did find that this method of uploading allows you to post above the word limit, which works for edits that bump you into adding a new episode, but sadly nothing for reordering chapters.

Hola everyone!

Thank you for your input! All the features mentioned here have been on our mind and to do list for a long time and are something we would love to implement in the future.

Many projects that seem minor will require a ton of investment in terms of time and money on our side, as making changes to a platform of this size can quite difficult. Programming is a science on its own, so projects that look easy for us, may require months of work for our developers.

We are a small company and continue to grow and improve over time. Thank you for your patience - when we roll out new features, we'll make sure to notify you all!

I do hope a feature like this comes in the future. I really like Tapas so far and it would be great feature for both writers and comic artists. I understand this would be a lot of work for programmers but with the rise of writers coming from other sites to post up there. I think this feature should be important in the near future someday.