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Jan 2019

To be hones, I'm finding these statistics a bit useless at being used as guidelines for writers. I'm not saying it's a useless piece of information in general though. The thing is that I, for example, can watch few 1/2 hour documentaries on korean traditional traditional crafts (true story) in a row, where 90% of the moovie is not narrated and other 10% is in Korean. And I'll be entertained and involved into watching. And I don't even speek Korean. On the other hand, I bet most of people will find it dull and borring. So, as my ex coworker used to say: "As for the taste and colour - all crayons are different" What one person will find being a "Bad dialogue", other find hillarious.

While something perceived as "bad dialogue" is different per person, the problem we can know is still "bad dialogue is disliked" that even we don't know what exactly audience's taste is and we can't completely cater to them we should try our hardest to make our dialogue as good as possible.

That's just different interpretation of it though!

Well, thank you for your input :smile:

Don't give up so soon! I think you should give the topic at least a day before you decide it was a failed venture.
And even if it doesn't spark a conversation, it's not your fault. Sometimes that's just how the cookie crumbles.

I feel like I resonate with the pie charts a bit.

I've dropped many novels on Tapas immediately after the first paragraph. Most of the time it's due to poor sentence structure or dropping me into the deep end of the pool, not giving me a damn floaty until we're like three chapters in.

As a reader, off the top of my head:

-Don't use the same word five times between three sentences. It's like, listening to someone who like, says "like" too much.

-Don't expect me to follow along with your story if you drop multiple plot-specific nouns that are obviously important to the character(s) but just make me feel like I'm reading a language I don't know. Mentioning key figures or places or things within the context of their importance or even a tiny suggestion of what they could be is important.

-Don't sound like a complaining child if you write in first-person.

-Don't, for fuck sake, introduce someone without describing them and then several episodes later DESCRIBE THEM AND RUIN MY VISION OF THE CHARACTER THUS FAR.

-Don't assume everyone wants to read the detailed historical archives of the world you've made. Early information of your vision needs to be easy to digest. Once the reader is invested, they'll appreciate a long-ass history lesson because they like your world.

-Take everything I say with a grain of salt. I am a rambling idiot with no credentials.

Hahaha I really feel the fourth one! :laughing: sometimes it also break the immersion, that you recheck it to when the character is introduced to confirm. When reading in my native language the surprise is sometimes the gender of the character, because we don't use gender-specific pronoun (a character I thought was a girl, is a guy all along).

Besides that I resonate with all your points, interesting thought :smile:

Tragic ending sounds like a strange reason to drop a story as it kind of implies you've read to the end. :thinking:

Interesting how profanity is a larger concern than violent and racism (and... uh... weak story. Makes sense I suppose. :neutral_face:) I'm surprised racism is only 1.15% because I can understand that being a clear reason to drop a story even if the writing and characters are good.

Me personally, my main reason for reading on or dropping a story right from the start is not whether the beginning is slow but whether it is interesting. If in the first chapter or two the author shows they have a good sense of humor, a lot of imagination, unique characters or just a really interesting idea, then I'll be interested to carry on reading.

I thought that was weird too, but I think the contributors might have been taking historical/classical literature into consideration (there are lots of amazing stories written decades to centuries ago, that are, sadly, racist as hell). ^^;

Indeed, not only racism but sometimes value or morality dissonance in general :smile: It's sometimes weird to see people mannerism in the past, or how they casually whip their children for small mistake.

Some older stories have attitude towards women that they are just a character inserted for romance or soap opera factor and nothing more, or the preachy notion about what "ideal women" should be that we think it's outdated (e.g. must be a good mother that bears many children, always obey husband, etc.), or reinforcing the idea that they're dependent and can't do anything.

Not to mention their treatment about LGBT+ people or disabled characters, mostly they don't exist or just be there as "bad example."

It is... :no_mouth:

But I don't know the "racism" they meant is racism as theme or rather the attitude author implied along the story. I can see how racism even as theme can be upsetting, or maybe it scored low because people think of the racism as theme of the story rather than an issue. I don't know.

Perhaps they dropped it when they sense it would be a tragic ending like in the story that is always feel there's no hope left you jump into angst fest with the character. Maybe the tragic ending of first installation of a franchise can make a reader drop the franchise altogether... I don't know.

Wow, I'm surprised at the number opposed to profanity. What prudes.
LOL

Unless they're like racial slurs or epithets targeted at specific people, then I can see how it would turn off readers.
But all in all I agree with the list.

Agree! :smile: Unless it is aimed at younger audience, I think profanities are minor nuisance especially for works tagged mature. I meant I find it more off putting when I see censored f*cking profanities in works that meant for teens or adult.

I agree that this is a reasonable cross section of readers' opinions that tell me one practical thing:

If you want people to read your novel (or comic) , then learn to write a good story and either have professional editor or a trusted person who knows good story to edit (that is find plot holes and make sure the story has clarity) read it.

Other than that I don't think the details are important because we go into the categories of taste and what turns off certain readers more than others, and that is wholly outside the author's control. And because it's outside one's control, disregard it.

First and foremost write the story and learn to write that story well. "Catering to an audience" should only go so far as knowing your genre well enough to utilize it's conventions and tropes in a unique way. Otherwise you start changing your story based on what others want, not what you want. It's a very stress inducing way to make a story, imo.

You can't control the readers taste but you can trust that there are enough readers out there that share your taste cause a writer is a reader first. That's all one need I think.

Stats are great and all but they're just a reflection of the work the author has put in and put out and they help with course corrections and future stories (maybe. Imo good stats is just a reward for executing your craft well.). But the author has to do the hard work of learning their craft first.

I only drop stories when nothing is happening, when it's not clear what's happening, when the characters are flat, and for subjective reasons of taste that regardless of objectively good writing just turns me off.

I dunno... this all is so complicated and ambiguous. The only thing, which seems undeniable, is that it is impossible to please everyone. :thinking:

Some thoughts about the attached statistics:
1. It was a bit strange to see, that more than 40% of people in total drop novels with dull story and characters. Because there are a bunch of novels with dull stories and characters, which are nevertheless incredibly popular (I'd even say, unhealthy popular, in my opinion). :joy:
2. It is interesting, why unexpected sex turns people off... Heh, for me, it honestly sounds more exciting than repulsive. (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵) But idiotic and unrealistic sex descriptions still can turn me off for sure.
3. "Difficult vocabulary" is pretty subjective thing. Different people have different vocabulary, and words, which seems complicated to one person, maybe don't seems so for another one.

Reasons why I may drop reading:
1. Nothing really going on for too long.
2. Characters are so stupid, that I start to be angry on them.
3. Characters have no line of conduct and just do random shit, or their behaviour is too contradictable without any explanations.
4. Plot is too predictable and/or cliched.
5. I meet cliche which I especially hate.
6. Novel seems to be blatant propaganda of thoughts, which I don't share and don't like.

The main reason I drop comics is that the story doesn't appeal to me. Sometimes a lot happens, but I can't connect to any of it. The characters aren't distinct and it's just events. Other times it's more subjective and I just don't care for certain topics/genres.

Sometimes I'm interested in the idea and characters and read for quite a while, but the pacing is so slow, nothing I care about seems to be happening and I end up dropping it. In these cases, either there's not enough good drama with the idea (too much untapped potential) or the plot is too melodramatic, meaning that something I don't really care about happens and the characters act like it's a really big deal.

I'm right there with dull. We were forced to read so many books (as an English BA) from renowned authors, but I just found so many of them dull, it was hard for me to go on. I also don't like when the flow feels choppy in stories. I'm picky for originality too, when it comes to books. And prefer the fiction genre. I'm way more lenient with comics/mangas though. And I prefer romances in those.

One time I was writing a fanfiction (Hannigram) where she had will say, "Awww mixed babies are always cute."

I immediately stopped reading. And the story was good thus far. One thing I won't tolerate is colorism and racism in any capacity. Especially when it's passed off as a quirky "oh my god did I just say that out loud" situation.

don't think it counts as racism tbh. like someone saying i think black women are the most hot. it's a preference.