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IdiotWithPencil
Aug '17
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Soo I was reading this comic on tapas called BEAR29, I recommend it since I like the premise but there's something that it made me pause and it's something that a lot of webcomis do....
you may wonder what that is and the answer is REFERENCES, so many references that I can't take it this comic has a reference to zelda that comic has a reference to metroid , and that comic references the reference of the references of deadpool, like ok I can tolerate a reference from time to time or when their on the background, but in some of them it's like 3 pages, and they are always on the forefront, I feel like the artist are like, "Look look it's this thing that everybody likes look at it I like it too LOOOOOOOOOOK AT IIIIIIIIIIT"
so my question, do you guys like references? or do you guys feel like it's over used sometime? and have any one of you ever had reference overload?
I would love to get a feel on the topic (just to see if I am crazy)

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spadesart
Aug '17

my dude dont publically drag someones comic thats not cool

IdiotWithPencil
Aug '17

I ain't saying it's bad or dragging it, the first thing I do is say that I recommend it, I was just telling my frustration about references in it, and what the community thinks about references in comics, didn't know that recomending a comic was draggin it down publically I'm sorry : C

shazzbaa
Aug '17

Recommending a comic is fine! It's just that if you say something like "I recommend this comic but OH BOY THIS ELEMENT BREAKS IMMERSION SOOOO BAD THAT I CANT EVEN READ IT," then even though you technically said the word "recommend," that's really not going to sound like a recommendation! Your thread is about an element of a comic being so over-the-top that it breaks immersion for you and made you drop the strip -- that's not going to come across as a recommendation, that's talking about something you felt was wrong with this comic.

I know for me, if someone posted on the forums here, "Hey, look at Shazzbaa's comic, it has some good ideas but MAN this other element is so bad I can't stand it, I had to stop reading it, do you guys agree that this element is bad or is it just me?" then that would feel kinda awful to get singled out like that! It wouldn't break any rules, but it wouldn't feel very nice.

If you want to vent your frustrations about the overuse of references ruining an otherwise good premise, you can definitely start a thread about that, talking about the problems and asking how others feel about referential humour without mentioning the specific comic! If you wanted to recommend a comic, it might work better to do that in a place for recommendations -- there's a few different threads for recommending comics!

I hope this makes sense as to why the original post felt more like "dragging" than a recommendation, and how to do the things you wanted to do in way that won't accidentally hurt feelings!! ;u;

emkay
Aug '17

Personally, I'm fine with references in comics! Though I agree with @stnmaren and @shazzbaa -- you should edit your post to get rid of the webcomic name and just express your frustration with references in general.

IdiotWithPencil
Aug '17
emkay

I don't see why I should get rid of the name, heck its seem people are looking at the comic more than just commenting, more traccion to the creator is alway good, though I will make it more universal if that makes it better

XzynderVexymous
Aug '17

I do use them but when you use references, it takes away from your story. Your storyline and plot are sort of shortened. So a balanced view is best.

emkay
Aug '17
IdiotWithPencil

You don't really get to decide what kind of 'traction' or attention the creator wants, that's something you should ask them. =/ And if they say you can keep their name on your post, then that's fine. If it were me, I'd feel pretty insulted if people were only checking out my comic because someone complained about it.

IdiotWithPencil
Aug '17

they don't decide what traccion they get that's crazy talk(if creators could do that then their woulddn't be any negative comments or harrasment on the internet),, also I can't go around like, hey I am goin to go and talk about the hunger games can I do that person who wrote hunger game? imagen that but by x10000 people, it's crazy.

why? people are talking about your comic (even if it is complaints) people are sharing, which means your reader base is growing, now if it where let's say harrasment then I get it nobody likes harrasment

I already edit the statement to make it more universal, now it's just recomending a comic and putting context to the message

emkay
Aug '17
IdiotWithPencil

they don't decide what traccion they get that's crazy talk(if creators could do that then their woulddn't be any negative comments or harrasment on the internet),, also I can't go around like, hey I am goin to go and talk about the hunger games can I do that person who wrote hunger game? imagen that but by x10000 people, it's crazy.

I think you misunderstood my point, and I apologize if I wasn't clear. Yes, you don't get to decide what kind of attention a creator gets. However, my point was that you don't get to decide what a creator wants. Because you said that "more traccion to the creator is always good", which implies that you believe all creators want attention. However, different creators will desire different types of attention, so the statement "more attention is always good" is false. That is your opinion and you can't project that opinion onto the creator of this webcomic, as you seem to be doing in your original reply.

why? people are talking about your comic (even if it is complaints) people are sharing, which means your reader base is growing, now if it where let's say harrasment then I get it nobody likes harrasment

Personally, I want people to read my comic because they are interested in the content, not because they are interested in seeing whether someone's complaints are valid or not. It doesn't necessarily mean that my reader base would be growing, it only means that my comic was thrust into the spotlight because someone complained about it.

I already edit the statement to make it more universal, now it's just recomending a comic and putting context to the message

The edit is much better! :+1:

IdiotWithPencil
Aug '17

ok I think I get it, and I am glad the edit is better, now we can get back on topic :smiley:

audeshattuck
Aug '17

Certain references can be funny, but I find it dates a comic really quickly. It's sort of like in other media (like TV or novel), when a character mentions the type of phone they own and goes into great detail about it. You think, "Wow Grandma, I'm so glad you love your Blackberry Storm."

Mocha
Aug '17

Personally I like references as long as they're subtle and not in every single page/chapter. Sometimes if I'm reading something that has a super obvious in-your-face reference it might make me think "hey, you just reminded me of this thing that I'd much rather be reading instead of this".
I think constant references work better in gag comics that take place in our world or are based off real events since they usually seem to make more sense.