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incoMan
Oct '24

yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the serious flaws about this forum, I always make sure not to spam to often I only try to post my work here every two or three times a month, but sadly this forum has seen better days I've seen too much of the same people post CONSTANTLY begging for their follows and ink and the serious divide between tapas and the community is insane like when you walk in a pretty side of town just to go around the block to end up in skid row makes it really hard for beginners to get their footing in or at all

joannekwan(ง ˙o˙)ว here to help~
Oct '24

Yep, it's definitely harder to break out as a new creator now than 10 years ago. The app launch did increase the number of users/readers, making Tapas as a whole accessible to new swaths of readers. But apps are costly to maintain and so Tapas had to shift focus and promote premium and imported series. The increased accessibility and technology advancements in the past several years has led to an influx of new creators but it seems to be outpacing the growth in readership. It's not a unique thing to Tapas either with WT experiencing the same.

It's just like the growth of a city. When it starts as a small town, the playing field is fairly equal. But as more people move in, the disparity starts to show and then it becomes glaring when it becomes a city.

KevinReijnders
Oct '24

I don't mind the promo threads as much as most I feel. Though I do really hate it when a single person suddenly decides to spam the exact same promo post in 100+ threads (I've counted them, this is not an exaggeration) clogging up the entire site with - quite frankly - useless noise, drowning out any ongoing interesting conversation

vfaqvrf
Oct '24
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KevinReijnders
Oct '24

Problem is that Tapas, as a business, has no incentive to boost the free stuff over the premium paid stuff. It would take away resource and potential revenue to give more attention to free works.

vfaqvrf
Oct '24
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king-goldfish
Oct '24

Yet another example of how capitalism and art are fundamentally incompatible. Whomp whomp.

Vayvaction
Oct '24
Leyelle

tapas has trailers/promo vids for premium only and compared to webtoon tiktok page and stuff tapas one doesn't really appeal to readers

Calculus_Homework
Oct '24

LMAO
oh man, sign me up.

You made some good ideas for solutions... but yeah, I think promotion in the forums is purely incestual at this point. No more people will talk about our work we share here than the 10 people who already do.

Not to sound cynical--because I do like the idea of better discovery tools--but I feel like it's going to have some sort of formula to it where so many stories will still be pushed under the waves in no time.

I think there is value in the author boosts you mentioned.:thinking: That'd be a very nice communal thing to have on each other's profiles. Something like: "Here are 5 comics/novels I follow and enjoy and why." Or have a truce thing where, if you're in the mystery genre, and so is another author--you both could essentially opt in to have each other always listed on each other's comic/novel as a way to suggest to a reader that these projects are both the same quality, similar aesthetic, similar humor, etc. Or does that sound neurotic? :cry_swag:

axelruler
Oct '24
joannekwan

Listen, if you, like me, think that spam is a problem, I have a simpler and cheaper suggestion than the one in the main thread:

We have a large volume of topics every day, always publishing the same works...

... My suggestion would be to create a new category, where authors could summarize the episodes of their stories; that way, they would post well-made summaries of the current episodes and would only publish their work again after releasing a new episode to summarize on the forum.

I have a thread that simulates exactly this, take a look please:
https://forums.tapas.io/t/summarize-the-first-chapter-of-your-story/848722

My idea is that everyone posts a summary of their story and puts a very catchy headline in the title space.

In the body, there will be relevant information, such as the type (novel or comic) and genres of the story, and, below, a summary of the episode in question, with the link to access the work.

Something crucial:

All responses in a summary post must be about the work being summarized; This will force other authors to make their own thread summarizing episodes.

I believe that this way, anyone who reads the summary and has been genuinely interested in reading the story will read it, and there will no longer be that flood of spam, as authors will only be able to promote their stories through summaries, and this will only be possible when new episodes come out, resulting in a cleaner and more objective forum.

I believe that just saying "read my story" does not generate interest, but giving details about it is very objective and, therefore, can arouse interest in the reader.

But of course, for this to work, it would be necessary to remove the promotion category, and then I don't know if you would agree with that :v

Well, I hope you will at least take this suggestion to your superiors, as I believe this tactic will reduce spam and bring objective promotions, as it explains what the story is about and, consequently, will arouse much more interest than promotional topics being spammed around.

king-goldfish
Oct '24
vfaqvrf

We must seize the servers.

Honestly, it would be nice to have something like AO3 for original fiction. It's my understanding that got started around (among other things) legal concerns when the fanfic sites of the time were plotting some shady stuff with monetization. (Disclaimer: I only half remember what I'm talking about.)

But I would venture even most community writers here eventually WOULD like to monetize their works (it would be nice to at least like, pay for my private health insurance with writing money or something), so I doubt there would be a ton of interest in starting a nonprofit archive lol. Of course, an archive itself could be nonprofit without the individual creators on it being nonprofit.

But it all sounds very complicated, so probably I will just keep spamming the forums like there's no tomorrow.

joannekwan(ง ˙o˙)ว here to help~
Oct '24
axelruler

It's essentially just promotion then but under a new name. Sure there are more guidelines put in place like how the Collaborations category is set up currently on the forum, but I doubt everyone will adhere to the rules and inevitably spam will crop up. Lots of users would just dump their info and run, as it is now.

It doesn't solve the issue of how to get readers into this space or promote genuine interaction between creators again.

axelruler
Oct '24
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axelruler
Oct '24
joannekwan

Listen

The difference between the summaries category and the promotions category is that in the promotions category, each person makes as many posts as they want and they do it anyway, causing spam and not generating as much interest in potential readers; The summary category obliges you to make a detailed and well-done post, and would restrict the number of posts by the number of episodes of each work, and of course, in the responses there would be people commenting on the work itself, and not responding to their own works, thus reducing the absurd amount of identical posts, which have the sole intention of making sub4sub.

The objective of both categories would be the same, to promote the works, but with different dynamics, and it is the dynamics of the summary category that will make the difference. And well, about you saying that eventually people would start spamming again, rules are rules, and mods have all the means necessary to make people behave, if they just want to.

I really hope you will at least take my suggestion to your superiors.

NickRowler
Oct '24

It hard to really make suggestions to improve the forums because from the years I have been on here, the number of people who use it is quite small. I think even Tapas notices this, which is why they prioritize the Discord. It appeals more to younger creators/readers.

The Forums however is just a relic of the past that Tapas just keeps around. I personally prefer it over Discord, but I am someone who is older who grew up on the pre-Twitter internet.