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The whole contest boils down to the same thing everything they do does- making money. They were only investing in the past years and it's the same with this contest. Webtoon is trying to grow so that it will make huge amounts of money later on. Line Webtoon is so big in Korea, they want to establish the same thing in the US. They are far from there, so don't expect them to stop throwing money at creators without any financial gain on their side any time soon. They did start with ads recently, but it will take aeons until they get any earnings from this alone.

Of course this contest is meant for publicity and luring in creators, but also -and I like that point very much- to educate authors to properly format their comics to webtoon style. The vertically scrolling format is the evolution to get the best possible reading experience on mobile phones. There are several good reasons they want to push that.
Oh, and they also try to get people to stop spiltting their chapters into tiny, tiny updates by forcing the panel count. I also support that, while I do see that there are some poor folks on the receiving end like short comic strips. Okay, you can put multiple ones into a single update to get the necessary number of panels. At least you got that option.

@theyaoiarmy
While I agree that there are many webtoons worth publishing on Discover, they can only feature that many due to several factors. They'd need enough personel in the editing department, can't have too many too similar stories at the same time, need author's to be able to stick to schedules (there has been some problems and right out embarrassment in some cases), popularity doesn't equal consistency, reliability or even good work climate (you really don't want to put up with some Diva who think they are the greatest stuff in history); and the most important- not everyone who is popular/ gets asked to gets featured wants to be. There have been cases where the offer was turned down. Most of finalists in previous contests didn't get featured, although you get the chance if you place high enough. But even Discover creators refuse every now and then. Because they don't want to publish exclusively on webtoons, they don't have the time or don't want to publish weekly, they don't want to change the layout to fit webtoons preferred format etc.

@twinblades
You can publish the same comic on Tapas. Self publishing online is no problem. As long as webtoons doesn't have to battle it out with another company to get the rights to publish your story, you are good to go. Like, if your contest submission is a Premium Comic.

@Zushi
Webtoons is based in the United States. There are other departments taking care of asian territories. The one you are interested in is the one with the contest. Ignore the rest. Just make sure you do something that won't get you into trouble showing to minors in the US. While there is a parental guidance function, sensitive content is still visible to minors just a click of a button away.
I think theyaoiarmy summed it up wonderfully. Tastefully is the keyword here.

Hey guys, I know this is kind of going off topic a bit but if any of you guys are interested in sharing eachothers comics and like each others comics that would be awesome. As you all know its really difficult to gain an audience when your just a small creator and just starting out. So I think if we'd support eachother it would be a lot easier to possibly get noticed. Let me know what you guys think. My webtoon is called "The Misfit Club" I'm going to be honest the first episode is a bit slow, but I plan to improve its my first webtoon after all I'm just a little noob yet. And I have defiantly noticed people downvoting incredible comics in this contest. I understand its a competition but I wish they would just be honest and rate it what they think the webcomic deserves. They either rate is 1 star or rate it 10 its like theres no where in between. Another thing I'm finding be an issue is it just me or are some people entering in the Comedy genre when there comic isn't even comedy. I recognize you need less panels if your entering in comedy. But still its not fair to enter through the wrong genre. Maybe I'm just noticing this. What are your guys thoughts and what you have seen and thought on this?

There's a thread for that ^_^ You may have the best luck posting your entry over there

I also wouldn't worry about people who enter and don't meet the guidelines, they shouldn't win if they aren't following the rules or meeting the guidelines.

Thank you very much!! I did not know about that thread, I greatly appreciate you sharing it with me I'll defiantly will check it out. Also I'm sure your right, I don't think webtoon would let them get away with that. There very picky, on what webtoons they feature to begin with.

Well that's just not fair. :disappointed_relieved: how does that even begin to create an even playing field?

This is an easy resentful attitude to take, but keep in mind that we can't know for certain what the managing editors' intentions are or why they make the choices they do. Even if they don't promote certain comics to make things more "fair" it doesn't keep viewers from wanting to give attention to the comics that are already getting more attention thus giving them more more attention. This attitude will ruin anyone courageous enough to try to accomplish anything. Be bold, try, fail, and succeed. But don't blame others or discourage people because you feel like trolling.

Yes. Everything is conjecture. Unless we are in their heads, we will never know, and even then, they might be lying. So let's drop the obvious and get down to what matters and what it says: actions.

The ACTIONS of Webtoons betray what they are thinking and planning.

You would think that they are ultimately thinking of making money. However, if they were thinking that they would allow the audience to dictate what succeeds and doesn't, but they clearly squash everything they decide not to promote within discovery. They would promote creators that provide massive content with some kind of minor popularity, but stuff like Bite-sized (now Probl-o-matic) never gets any hand.

So clearly money isn't "all consuming" and there is agenda > money.

Prolific titles will bring in good revenue once their "ad revenue" program begins. I have no idea what that ad revenue program will be like, but I hope it is 2 ads/page with .1 cent per ad, 50-50% webtoons/creator. That might be much too hopeful.

But money is a high priority, and this contest (back to the contest!) is aimed solely toward helping the ad revenue program following behind. Webtoons has a problem: it is the king of the hill in western webtoons at the moment. It could be easily toppled, if they don't secure the next step properly and a wealthy competitor steps in.

The contest is almost certainly rigged, heavily slanted to the ultimate winner, at best. They are already promoting a bunch of comics and letting the others rot. I still don't see the entries on my desktop platform. I finally saw them on my iPad this morning, and they are a long list in no particular order that is helpful to discovering hidden gems. You can choose rigged or incompetence, I say rigged--top of the heap is already a comic they hawked in the square for many months.

However, what the contest is doing (I hope they meant to do this) is getting everyone rabid for a carrot. So ALL WEB COMICS CONGREGATE ON WEBTOONS. They will become a central library of almost everything out there that is kind of current or even archival. Very smart. And then they will transition into ad revenue to keep people there.

The contest is just a foothold to the next, necessary, phase of being the king of webcomics.

But I doubt there is any altruistic motive from Webtoons.

As for purity of motive on the artists' behalf, they are flooding in there for the money. If a comic artist is only doing it for the cash or hope of cash, they are blowing it; become a stock broker! Lawyer! Dentist! The contest should be seen as a tourist trap off the side of your life's highway.

"If they didn't make you, they can't break you" If you hinged your career on Webtoons' revenue, Webtoons will break you like a dry twig when they take away that revenue. Make it elsewhere and the Webtoons trough doesn't mean so much, because you are your own person.

Yes this is the point. This is the only reason anyone holds a contests- right? I mean ingeneral for all practices.

Also if they get the next "Unordinary" (using this as an example since they were popular comic that came out of the last contest) that's just an extra bonus.

I also feel like they want to feature some of their favorite authors but for one reason or another they can't feature the comic that they have already published so they're doing this to see what else those authors can produce. They want those favorite authors to make something that is more mainstream and geared toward popularity and success- rather than say having them tell whatever story they feel like telling. I get that these are still their stories, but chances are the authors are modifying their stories to make them more win-able.

What attitude? when I say that webtoon is not being fair to all authors, especially in a time of contest? just because someone is saying webtoon is not fair doesn't mean that person is trolling. It's not my fault if people like you are way too sensitive and take everything personal even when the point lies elsewhere. It's not me who is discouraging authors to stop being bold, fail, and succeed, it's webtoon's behavior. And a lot of my friends have already abandoned participating in the contest not because of people like me but because of webtoon's unfair behavior. I have nothing against any authors, only webtoon's unfairness. If you think webtoon's innocent then you can, it'll be great if you respect other people's different opinion as well instead of trying to make them the big bad guy.

ummm can i ask a question? in the video eunice says that "if you're attending the party(ny comic con) it means that you''ll become a featured creator" does that mean if you are say unable to attend it you are disqualified from the contest even if you're chosen as finalist? the way i read the rules isn't like that and this is very concerning for people abroad/non us participant.

yes that is exactly the way i read the fine print, but when i watch the video suddenly im not so sure anymore. im glad that it's not only me who reached the same conclusion! thank you btw

These aren't necessarily my views on it, but it is something to think about. I do like tapas and webtoons.

This is interesting,
collaborations on tapas is a common thing but now that webtoons has a contest with money as a prize there seems to be a lot more people looking for an artist to collaborate and join this contest. You may spend a lot of time and effort on a collaborative series that may not win.

For a writer it's better to collaborate with an artist on a series now that you can enter for prize money rather than just collaborate because you have genuine interest in creating a successful story on any platform or self-publish.

It starts to make sense why wetoons allows series to re-upload and enter the contest because those people already worked hard on their series, they built a following. All the work was done prior to the contest.

This is why as an artist and a web developer I decided to focus on making a creator owned platform.
On the business side of things it makes sense to have work for hire or creator owned, partial ownership, etc.
These are our options, were not confined to one. We get to pick and choose. If the company doesn't make money then how can they keep paying the artist? what about web developers? advertising? In that sense you become a worker ant, that ant pile didn't get big because of one ant. Why else would they have volunteer positions?

Ton Roosendaal in an interview with BlenderGuru mentions how developers are at the end of the chain for big companies when it comes to pay. Don't quote me on that, google the video.

I think everyone has a different perspective on things especially if you're an independent artist vs someone who works behind a desk at a big company with the cold ac blowing in your face wondering "When is that page gonna be done?".:joy:

It's kind of like "Big companies are evil :smiling_imp: but if you are successful and you become a big company then you're evil too, or if you quit your big name company job and decide to do a kickstarter to start your own thing your evil too". That's my impression of artists who complain. He does make a lot of valid points but it comes with the territory of being an artist. :wink:

What I see in comics now is that more and more people are becoming independent and webtoons is making kpop stars out of webcomic artists. :grin:

My use of the word, "trolling," was uncalled for. But I still do not recommend that anyone wait for a more fair opportunity to come along. The good thing about the contest is that it gives you hard deadlines, might get you a little more attention than usual since a lot of people are looking at Discover right now, and it gives you a chance to win a lottery that might be built on competence. If in the end you don't win but you manage to produce your own comic, well then that is quite the reward.

So, I'm not sure if I'm going to try my luck with this contest, but... What is Webtoon's stand on foul language, showing blood and generally dark themes in comics?

My comic is set in a pretty dark world and it is also reflected in how some characters act (curse a lot). Do I have to censor every single curse word? And what if I have too many (even censored), will they even consider my comic suitable for winning or would they discard it even if it's good?

And what about showing character's deaths? I have a few dramatic scenes prepared and there is some blood in them. Is it okay with Webtoon? I mean, what can I do, people bleed when they are stabbed!