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There's a thread for that ^_^ You may have the best luck posting your entry over there

I also wouldn't worry about people who enter and don't meet the guidelines, they shouldn't win if they aren't following the rules or meeting the guidelines.

Thank you very much!! I did not know about that thread, I greatly appreciate you sharing it with me I'll defiantly will check it out. Also I'm sure your right, I don't think webtoon would let them get away with that. There very picky, on what webtoons they feature to begin with.

Well that's just not fair. :disappointed_relieved: how does that even begin to create an even playing field?

This is an easy resentful attitude to take, but keep in mind that we can't know for certain what the managing editors' intentions are or why they make the choices they do. Even if they don't promote certain comics to make things more "fair" it doesn't keep viewers from wanting to give attention to the comics that are already getting more attention thus giving them more more attention. This attitude will ruin anyone courageous enough to try to accomplish anything. Be bold, try, fail, and succeed. But don't blame others or discourage people because you feel like trolling.

Yes. Everything is conjecture. Unless we are in their heads, we will never know, and even then, they might be lying. So let's drop the obvious and get down to what matters and what it says: actions.

The ACTIONS of Webtoons betray what they are thinking and planning.

You would think that they are ultimately thinking of making money. However, if they were thinking that they would allow the audience to dictate what succeeds and doesn't, but they clearly squash everything they decide not to promote within discovery. They would promote creators that provide massive content with some kind of minor popularity, but stuff like Bite-sized (now Probl-o-matic) never gets any hand.

So clearly money isn't "all consuming" and there is agenda > money.

Prolific titles will bring in good revenue once their "ad revenue" program begins. I have no idea what that ad revenue program will be like, but I hope it is 2 ads/page with .1 cent per ad, 50-50% webtoons/creator. That might be much too hopeful.

But money is a high priority, and this contest (back to the contest!) is aimed solely toward helping the ad revenue program following behind. Webtoons has a problem: it is the king of the hill in western webtoons at the moment. It could be easily toppled, if they don't secure the next step properly and a wealthy competitor steps in.

The contest is almost certainly rigged, heavily slanted to the ultimate winner, at best. They are already promoting a bunch of comics and letting the others rot. I still don't see the entries on my desktop platform. I finally saw them on my iPad this morning, and they are a long list in no particular order that is helpful to discovering hidden gems. You can choose rigged or incompetence, I say rigged--top of the heap is already a comic they hawked in the square for many months.

However, what the contest is doing (I hope they meant to do this) is getting everyone rabid for a carrot. So ALL WEB COMICS CONGREGATE ON WEBTOONS. They will become a central library of almost everything out there that is kind of current or even archival. Very smart. And then they will transition into ad revenue to keep people there.

The contest is just a foothold to the next, necessary, phase of being the king of webcomics.

But I doubt there is any altruistic motive from Webtoons.

As for purity of motive on the artists' behalf, they are flooding in there for the money. If a comic artist is only doing it for the cash or hope of cash, they are blowing it; become a stock broker! Lawyer! Dentist! The contest should be seen as a tourist trap off the side of your life's highway.

"If they didn't make you, they can't break you" If you hinged your career on Webtoons' revenue, Webtoons will break you like a dry twig when they take away that revenue. Make it elsewhere and the Webtoons trough doesn't mean so much, because you are your own person.

Yes this is the point. This is the only reason anyone holds a contests- right? I mean ingeneral for all practices.

Also if they get the next "Unordinary" (using this as an example since they were popular comic that came out of the last contest) that's just an extra bonus.

I also feel like they want to feature some of their favorite authors but for one reason or another they can't feature the comic that they have already published so they're doing this to see what else those authors can produce. They want those favorite authors to make something that is more mainstream and geared toward popularity and success- rather than say having them tell whatever story they feel like telling. I get that these are still their stories, but chances are the authors are modifying their stories to make them more win-able.

What attitude? when I say that webtoon is not being fair to all authors, especially in a time of contest? just because someone is saying webtoon is not fair doesn't mean that person is trolling. It's not my fault if people like you are way too sensitive and take everything personal even when the point lies elsewhere. It's not me who is discouraging authors to stop being bold, fail, and succeed, it's webtoon's behavior. And a lot of my friends have already abandoned participating in the contest not because of people like me but because of webtoon's unfair behavior. I have nothing against any authors, only webtoon's unfairness. If you think webtoon's innocent then you can, it'll be great if you respect other people's different opinion as well instead of trying to make them the big bad guy.

ummm can i ask a question? in the video eunice says that "if you're attending the party(ny comic con) it means that you''ll become a featured creator" does that mean if you are say unable to attend it you are disqualified from the contest even if you're chosen as finalist? the way i read the rules isn't like that and this is very concerning for people abroad/non us participant.

yes that is exactly the way i read the fine print, but when i watch the video suddenly im not so sure anymore. im glad that it's not only me who reached the same conclusion! thank you btw

These aren't necessarily my views on it, but it is something to think about. I do like tapas and webtoons.

This is interesting,
collaborations on tapas is a common thing but now that webtoons has a contest with money as a prize there seems to be a lot more people looking for an artist to collaborate and join this contest. You may spend a lot of time and effort on a collaborative series that may not win.

For a writer it's better to collaborate with an artist on a series now that you can enter for prize money rather than just collaborate because you have genuine interest in creating a successful story on any platform or self-publish.

It starts to make sense why wetoons allows series to re-upload and enter the contest because those people already worked hard on their series, they built a following. All the work was done prior to the contest.

This is why as an artist and a web developer I decided to focus on making a creator owned platform.
On the business side of things it makes sense to have work for hire or creator owned, partial ownership, etc.
These are our options, were not confined to one. We get to pick and choose. If the company doesn't make money then how can they keep paying the artist? what about web developers? advertising? In that sense you become a worker ant, that ant pile didn't get big because of one ant. Why else would they have volunteer positions?

Ton Roosendaal in an interview with BlenderGuru mentions how developers are at the end of the chain for big companies when it comes to pay. Don't quote me on that, google the video.

I think everyone has a different perspective on things especially if you're an independent artist vs someone who works behind a desk at a big company with the cold ac blowing in your face wondering "When is that page gonna be done?".:joy:

It's kind of like "Big companies are evil :smiling_imp: but if you are successful and you become a big company then you're evil too, or if you quit your big name company job and decide to do a kickstarter to start your own thing your evil too". That's my impression of artists who complain. He does make a lot of valid points but it comes with the territory of being an artist. :wink:

What I see in comics now is that more and more people are becoming independent and webtoons is making kpop stars out of webcomic artists. :grin:

My use of the word, "trolling," was uncalled for. But I still do not recommend that anyone wait for a more fair opportunity to come along. The good thing about the contest is that it gives you hard deadlines, might get you a little more attention than usual since a lot of people are looking at Discover right now, and it gives you a chance to win a lottery that might be built on competence. If in the end you don't win but you manage to produce your own comic, well then that is quite the reward.

So, I'm not sure if I'm going to try my luck with this contest, but... What is Webtoon's stand on foul language, showing blood and generally dark themes in comics?

My comic is set in a pretty dark world and it is also reflected in how some characters act (curse a lot). Do I have to censor every single curse word? And what if I have too many (even censored), will they even consider my comic suitable for winning or would they discard it even if it's good?

And what about showing character's deaths? I have a few dramatic scenes prepared and there is some blood in them. Is it okay with Webtoon? I mean, what can I do, people bleed when they are stabbed!

Have you read Bastard? I think it's a good example of how far you can go with your webtoon. You do can use curse words, but try not to add too much of it, the same with blood, you have to use them with moderation. And about death, it depends on how they die and how you show it

Thanks for the response! I have not read Bastard, but thanks to your suggestion I guess I will!

It's just that in my comic I think it'll be a bit harder to keep everything in check. It's mainly because I'm making a fantasy action comic, so there will be a lot of people fighting using various blades, huge axes, hammers, some may use fire spells or something like that.

So yeah, people in my comic can get hurt very easily and messy too. Fortunately, I'm not planning on making very brutal death scenes. I prefer giving my characters more graceful deaths. I guess the most brutal death scene will be getting burned, but I can easily cover the details with more fire, lol.