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Nika
Jul '18
fleohr

Thanks for the response! I have not read Bastard, but thanks to your suggestion I guess I will!

It's just that in my comic I think it'll be a bit harder to keep everything in check. It's mainly because I'm making a fantasy action comic, so there will be a lot of people fighting using various blades, huge axes, hammers, some may use fire spells or something like that.

So yeah, people in my comic can get hurt very easily and messy too. Fortunately, I'm not planning on making very brutal death scenes. I prefer giving my characters more graceful deaths. I guess the most brutal death scene will be getting burned, but I can easily cover the details with more fire, lol.

fleohr
Jul '18

Ohhh, I thought your comic was for the most gripping, sorry, my bad!

Hmm I haven't read too many fantasy/action comics, but I always had the feeling they are less heavy than horror and thriller. As for the being burned to death, if you don't show too much detail (like flesh showing up) will be fine

AllisonGal
Jul '18
shaundmcmillan

I agree on this. as I said before, if most authors participate because they think they can win, it's ok to be optimistic but honestly it might not happen seeing how things are going at webtoon, but they could still be winners on views, getting more readers to check out their work and others things.

PervertOldMan
Jul '18
1
shaundmcmillan

Kid, look at all those creators in this thread saying they are joining the contest, Without giving a truck to all the mocking comments saying they are being stupid for joining such a unfair and suspicious contest, that's how great creators became great, that's what you should do to become one of them, wasting your time arguing with people who always put themself in the loser position, blaming the world for their imagine failure will lead you to nowhere, those people have a lot of time in their hand so they go around complain about everything on the internet, they always have some smart reasons for not even try to do anything, and tell people that they are stupid for trying, that's just how they spend their everyday. So burning your time for them is literatury burning yourself, because you will never have as much free time as them, just look at those complaining people and their previous works, you will see that you see nothing.

Jenny-Toons
Jul '18
1

For me, it's less about complaining and being a "loser", and more about reminding people to be both optimistic and realistic.

Yes -- 80k is a lot of money. Yes, people have the chance to win. We can talk anout fairness, but most places can be unfair. It's all about applying yourself and showing yourself in a reasonable way. But again, you also have people who:

  • Would quit their day job or neglect school for something like this.
  • Would invest a lot of money hiring a team of artists and writers for this small chance. Some don't even pay their teams, all on the hope of winning.
  • Don't read the contest's conditions and terms, and don't know what they're getting into.

We still have to consider these things. Again, this is a cool contest, and definitely ripe for exposure potential. Webtoons is a big company, and getting an audience is possible. Many of my friends joining just want the experience and exposure, and they read and re-read the terms and analyzed them.

They know how to handle this contest. Not everyone does. So we have to warn those people who could potentially do those three things to not do them.

A lot are young, inexperienced, and are still learning. Why make them learn from a potentially bad experience when we can just provide advice?

I don't care if the contest is "unfair" or not. I care about teaching people how to read the rules so they understand what they're getting into. I care about advising people not to mess with their income or schooling for a gamble. I care about encouraging people to network for network's sake and to find friends and help others.

Let's not pit against each other and call others "losers". I've seen some valid concerns here. Maybe some of it is cynical in tone, that I can admit. People should encourage a bit more to enter for the exposure and a chance to test yourself -- to see of you can do this comic business and keep doing it.

But even with that, I think providing advice is good to stop people from going to the extreme.

If someone is gonna join, they should do it more for the exposure and experience. The money is cool, but it might not happen. And that's ok. Just be sure to get something more out of what you're putting in.

Emevsa
Jul '18

Thank you for putting these concerns into perspective. I'll admit, despite reading all the rules and adjusting things to give us the best shot we can it still feels like a gamble and we're not even the ones who have given up jobs or school to do this. We're such a small fry comic that we don't expect much. In fact we feel so honored by the small fan base that we have. But this was an experience we could not say no to. We've risked pissing off our fan base, we've put in a lot of time and effort and for all that work we're still wondering what more we can do. As much as we would like an even playing field we recognise what we're up against. Whatever gains we make will be a win for us.

PervertOldMan
Jul '18
Jenny-Toons

You talk a lot about this and that, I understand what you're trying to say, but next time just say something like: they are stupid so I'm explaning the rules for them and I'm worrying they will ruin their life because of this contest, the like of them have no trucking chance at all, I'm doing this for the sake of justice, not that because I'm trying to be a smartass or anything... baka! Yeah, I totally understand, but thinking like that is exactly why a loser became a loser.

Lemme slap something true straight to your face, most of the most popular titles you see on webtoon discover are being made by people with day jobs and students, and most of the contract creators were a student or a full time employees somewhere else before they got a contract. And most of those titles are their very first comic. And no, they didn't ruin their life because of their comics, at all.

A loser say "Nah, life first" and go to bed, a passionate creators say "Sleep is for the weak" at 2AM in the morning. Yeah they are sacrificing their sleep time, their social time, their gaming time, their internet surfing time, their porn watching time ( I need to emphasize this one, a lot of the creators focus on their comic too much so they even forgot to do this important activity regularly, this is not something a halfass creators can understand ).

But when the morning come, they still go to school for their future and go to work to feed the kids. Yeah, those successful titles creators don't sit at home to draw comic all day like you lots think, they don't hire a team to make those beautiful stroke, and they are just some silent anti-social normal nerd with big black eyebags drinking energy drinks in real life, but they're working hard for what they like at night, not wear bodysuit and running around doing justice stuffs on the internet.

I see some popular faces right here in this thread, why don't you ask them about their hardship, oh wait, just ask them normally about their life, because I don't think they even count your hardship as hardship, because, you know, you can even think as far as quiting your school/job and hiring a team to draw 4 episodes in 3 MONTHS, I think you watch a bit much too much drama series, those are unrealistic and can not use as reference for real life you know, I know something cough more realistic and educational, we can dm if you want to talk about that ..

beta1042
Jul '18

You "talk a lot about this and that" but you're just trying to start a fight in this thread and get it deleted, right? Cause that's how your rambling reply reads.

LordVincent
Jul '18
1
PervertOldMan

Dude what, your idea of a webcomic creator's life is messed up to hell and beyond.

I'm a full time webcomic creator and have multiple ongoing comics. I get my sleep, I quit my day job over a year and a half ago, I am not a student. I also don't "sit inside all day with black eyebags and drink energy drinks" like boi what I care about my health because I've heard what happens to the artists that do all those things. My diet consists of a lotta veggies, fruit and lean proteins. I walk a minimum of 10km a day and do strength workouts on top of that.

And I produce way more than "4 episodes in 3 months". 4 episodes is at its very MINIMUM one month of work for a full time creator.

Stop demotivating young creators acting like you know what's up when you can't even get the simplest of facts about this business right...

LordVincent
Jul '18

To aspiring creators out there, these are the most important things you need to keep in mind to succeed:

  • Self care. Injury or health problems will kill your career prematurely.
  • Time budgeting and stable plans.
  • Self motivation and avoidance of distractions when you do draw will take you further than forcing yourself to draw that extra hour, if that extra hour turns out to be mostly procrastination anyway.
  • Confidence and intuition over perfectionism. Throw perfectionism out the window, aim for "a critical but healthy eye for detail" instead.
  • Always remember why you're doing what you're doing. If you think it's not worth the effort, you're doing the wrong thing with your time.
  • DON'T WASTE TIME BEING JEALOUS OR BLAMING OTHER PEOPLES SUCCESS FOR YOUR LACK THEREOF!!! Those people usually have years of failure behind them that you weren't there to see, and when you assume that they "went famous overnight", that hurts YOU and YOUR PROGRESS more than it hurts them. By doing this, you prohibit yourself from ever learning how to get noticed or develop forwards because you've already locked your mind down to a "it will never work for me because everyone is against me" mentality.

Good luck with your projects! :heart:️

Jenny-Toons
Jul '18
PervertOldMan

And this is why no one wants to take with you.
Resorting to ad fallacy does not help your case. You went into baseless assumptions and just basically did an ass pull by assuming I'm calling people stupid.

Re-read my reply.

PervertOldMan
Jul '18
LordVincent

Dude what, do you even read, I said nothing about a webcomic creator's life, at least not full time creators who use most of their time to draw comic, I was talking about creators with day job/chool, and how they can still make their comic success while keeping their busy life going. I made it sound extremely harsh, but what I'm trying to say is those creators success because they are trying hard, not because they have better environment.

And I was saying 4 episodes in 3 months is easy enough for any one, no need to go as far as quitting their job and school. Because the guy above me is saying he's stopping people joining the contest because people might quit their job/school, waste money to hire a team and ruin their life because of that, then I say, really, you need to go that far for 4 episodes in 3 months ?

Showing off is nice and all but you should read properly first, or else it'll turn out quite embrassing for you, you know.

@Beta1042 You and your gang should already get used to the way I talk, just read it with a fun mind.

LordVincent
Jul '18

I see no reason to be embarrassed as I quite obviously wasn't the only one who read your post that way. :sweat_smile:

Jenny-Toons
Jul '18
PervertOldMan

Ok. Guess I have to break it down.
In my previous post, my target audience was such: young, inexperienced, learning creators. Which means these potential groups:
- Young Creator : Someone in their 20s or younger.
- Inexperienced Creator: Someone who is new to making comics and does not know the ins and outs yet.
Learning Creators: Someone who has some experience, but is still not a veteran.

Who did you reference? Veteran Creators

Creators who have made a schedule for themselves, people who knew how to add comics to school and work. They have more experience and understanding.

But wait -- that's not in the context of this thread. No where did I mention on a general basis. What ws I specific about? The contest

I made those points based on the contest.

And why? Because the prize is 80k.
If that wasn't the prize, I wouldn't be as worried. But you have people who see 80k, and think:

"That's my tuition, that's a house, that's a car, that's my savings, that could help me, etc."

And when that much money is involved, people can and will take extreme measures. It's not that they're stupid. It just happens.

And, like others, I am reminding people to mot do that in the case (in the case) someone did think like that.

I did not say "don't do the contest"
I said "do the contest, but don't put everything on tje contest"

I also said to do it for exposure and experience.

So where is the part that I assumed people were stupid? Where is the part that I said no one could maintain their life and their comic?

darthkrievos
Jul '18

Is anyone besides me worried that Webtoons might pick a comic that they know is not good, but has more potential? Like I've been checking out some of the contest entries and there was one in particular that i notice that doesn't have an extremely good drawing style nor is the dialogue 100%, but give the creator some time to improve his drawing skills and the help of an editor i can see it completely surpassing other series that are better than them at their current state right now. :confused:

Hodge
Jul '18

Ehh not really too worried about that. I'm sure they are going for 'the best of the best' kinda comics. Anyways, potential is really hard to calculate. But that's great for that creator!

ethereis
Jul '18
1

hey guys i've seen nowadays comics use sketchup for background so much and i notice the ones in the contests use it so often without any character in it for so many panels and i thought wow the panels in which the characters' in is actually not that much and readers definitely like "the breathtaking art" as they pointed out in the comment it's sketchup they dont know that the author don't draw them themselves(and some i notice is familiar from the free model i've seen). i'm conflicted do i have to use sketchup for background as well? since i think most readers prefer it but i am till now still stubbornly make the background all myself with reference, but i do draw them myself.
when i see they cleverly use sketchup bgs for panels i think wow that would definitely lessen the workload if i stop being stubborn. any thought?
note: im not trying to pick a fight.rly.

LordVincent
Jul '18

Whether or not to use sketchup is up to you, however I have a feeling readers eyes will soon be able to spot them and simply tossing in free models and not adding character will not interest them for long. Readers do also still appreciate hand drawn backgrounds as well.

Do whatever makes you proud and happy with your own accomplishments.

Also: If you intend to make any money off of your comic, even just a single dollar in ad revenue or submitting it to a contest, you must have the full PRO license of Sketchup. Otherwise your use of the program will be interpretable as illegal.

ethereis
Jul '18

yes when i cant get the angle right or just the furniture placement, i do make sketchup myself and then i loosely trace it and add this and that and color it. and that as far as i go with sketchup. but i do find some people use it raw(i have no problem with this actually, it's just not my way) add lighting on it and done. but to use it for almost all panel when the readers think it's you who draw all of them yourself and most of them definitely are models, well, that is, to put it in a way, clever. thank you for pointing out that i need to pay for the pro, i initially thought it's okay as long as i create them myself.