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While most people are actually very nice, the very comment of mine you're replying to is a reply to someone shutting down an idea.

"the only reason so many artists are defending LW is because they're hoping to catch the king's eyes"

To clarify, what I mean by shutting down is disregarding any or all arguments/facts/reasons we've stated in why we have a certain opinion and either give their own completely overriding comment, or don't acknowledge it.

Your comment back obviously isn't an example of that, in fact, I enjoy having good discussions. However, every time I comment outside the general majority opinion, some (not all) people feel the need to argue it till their dying breath regardless of what facts or arguments I bring up. I am happy to negotiate/discuss ideas, but complete disregard of another opinion? I can't be bothered talking to someone who doesn't want to understand/change their mind. And this is speaking from experience, not speculations. This has happened.

Ahh I see. I think that's kind of just the nature of the forums, or the fact people probably don't read all 500 replies to this thread and just like to drop in to state their own POV. But I'm sure there are plenty in silent agreement with you too.

It'd be great if you could read other people's post properly and get the point before saying things like this because honestly I have seen no one saying Webtoon's after creators, only you mentioning that now. All we said is that webtoon's been boosting certain comics to the top by promoting them non stop in their sections and how doing so is unfair in this time of contest. We don't believe they are after creators and trying to make things difficult for them purposely so I don't get why you are even sayin this. Don't put words in our mouths, this is what creates feuds.

Okay yes, I apologize for the way it was phrased poorly. More importantly, what I wanted to achieve with that comment (which serves more so as an example rather saying that was what everyone in the thread was saying) was the follow up as comparison:

which follows the main idea of my post about the newer way webtoon choose to promote comics, pointing out that it may not be meant as something malicious but more so lending a hand to smaller creators. Many people have voiced out their concerns about smaller creators competing against the veterans and I'm saying this could be the reason for the promotion of smaller creator instead of malicious intent.

I've never denied that what webtoon did was unfair in the sense of a single comic being promoted to the top, but promoting lesser known comics isn't necessarily with the objective of keeping said comic at the top is what I was saying.

I don't get why people have so many problems with others expressing their opinion about injustice on webtoon. people are different, not everyone is a dreamer full of positivity. Anyone who wants to proclaim their love for LINE WEBTOON should be able to do so just the same as if you want to talk about the issue of unfairness and favoritism of webtoon, you can, But why is it that every time we discuss WT favoritism there's always someone calling us names like conspiracy theorist trying to make us sound like some lunatic and simply for having a different POV (which I must add is backed by many people witnessing the actions of LINE that leads to this POV). If there are conspiracy theorist on here, then there r also hopeless blinded dreamers on the opposite side. I guess this is the only way some people will understand. Impossible to even have a respectful and engaging debate on here.

I mean I agree with your sentiment, but posts like these are part of the problem.

Can't we just have people call Webtoon out for their shit when they do shit?

And Have people call them out on the good stuff when they do good?

And stop making this about conspiracy theorists v ignorant dreamers? Stop calling eachother names and just stick to the platform.... sheesh. No company is ALL evil or ALL good.

it's important for people to complain about things, that's how they can make their platform better. I really want people to stop telling others to stop complaining and "deal with how businesses are". Like I get it we arn't all going to get what we want, but that doesn't mean we have to be silent about it. But it's also important to realize that there are good qualities about this platform too and that we want the platform to continue doing the things it does right. So we shouldn't be getting upset at people who are happy and content with those. And we should all be allowed to express these thoughts without being placed on one side as a lover or hater of LINE webtoon.

While I'm not deleting my original series, (I'm actually still continuing it) I have started uploading a remastered version of my comic, with a new name, for the contest.

So far I've got 180 subs after 4 episodes, which means that even if all of them came from my original series (with 8700 subs), that would mean only ~2% have come over.

That understandable, as most readers aren't going to sub just to re-read what they've already seen, even if I have made it a bit better.

I will say though that, proportionately, I'm getting a MUCH higher level of reader engagement on the new series, with an average of 30% of my subscribers liking each episode, as opposed to the usual <1% I get on my existing one.

At just one month in, my contest entry's sub count is 2% my existing one, but pulled in 15% of its amount of views.

Heck, I even got more comments on the first episode of my reboot than I've got on ANY of my existing ones. And my new one has a higher rating as well.

Plus, I appear to be getting new subscribers coming in steadily, something which has been moving in reverse for me for months and month now, and even with the HUGE disparity in sub counts, the two webtoons are very close to each other on the popularity rankings for their genres.

So all in all, while I have no illusions of winning any money or contract deals, entering the contest has been a very positive experience for me, and I'm excited to see how the two series will compare when they finally catch up to each other later in the year, at which point I've have a real decision to make.

The webtoons contest is really tough...so hard to get noticed. Little transparency. But I like some of the entries in it. Just wish Webtoons would have a novel section as well. Other than that, I think the Tapas app is cleaner, but both of them are pretty awesome

the mediator has stepped in Huzzah! :joy: Thank you, I bow down to you. Teach me your ways :heart:

I have a question. I'm looking through the rankings and I'm trying to understand how they work. Is it by comments, views, subs? Does anyone have any ideas on how they work it out?

I already have one ongoing series on Webtoon and I'm thinking of re-uploading my story with the exact same title (cause I really like it).. and I don't wanna delete my current series cause I don't want to delete the comments lmao...

This wont work eh? Webtoon will surely figure it out :tired_face:

Yeah, you can do this. Many other creators did it too and we have confirmed it by emailing webtoon about it.

I dunno about you guys but for new artists, the contest can just be an excuse to finally post something if you've kept holding back. I was about to upload around sept-oct this year anyways and when LWT announced the contest, the timing was just too perfect! For me just uploading is a victory haha...

www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/pseudo-wings/list?title_no=20863540 <--I just posted my work there (prepping for downvoting now :frowning: ugh pray for me) but otherwise i liked the contest, and I'm grateful for every 24 subs I have though it's low, granted I only have a cover up as I'm typing. So far I haven't recieved much negativity and I get more exposure there than I do here, but I'll admit its hard to get users there to go to other sites. And the already popular artists with big following from old comics just won't budge from the most popular :frowning: which sucks. But I'm also thinking their angle is probably just to get new artist topost there, maybe letting existing comics participate is a farce to avoid backlash from established discover artists? AND 40% audience is way too high, should be no more than 30%. Anyway maybe my POV is different cause I was about to post there around the contest period anyway, but I'll admit the 80k did get me excited for a bit, I thought I had a chance for a while when reading my pages, then I realized I'm not just going against newcomers. But hoping that if I find people that'll connect with my story then maybe this whole rollercoaster will be worth it.

Oh I know what you mean!!
I think maybe you can post the question to your readers?

Maybe they will follow you even in the contest.

I also don't think you can leave the other comic, but others have chosen to make a new one. Either way, wish you the best, really!
You've been working hard and making a comic <3

Wow!

It's so cool you have this going on for you, I read though all your analytics and itwas quite interesting.

So the part of your audience that was more loyal followed your hard work, then, right? It also probably has to do with the fact you made an improved version of your comic that there is more engagement, right? :open_mouth:

Me too, entering the contest is a very positive experience. Very cool to see your journey, wish you lots of luck!

Here you go. Sorry for the late reply, I was out of town. :slight_smile: