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May 2016

I'll echo what @kambreapratt has said --

There are some good individual creators on Hiveworks.

But to be blunt, I think of them as the "Webcomic Mafia."

Without going into too much detail -- if you're not with them, you're against them.

We predate Hiveworks by a year or so, and watched the group gain momentum from three or four comics to whatever it's at now. The attitude of their founder really runs contrary to the tightknit, friendly webcomics scene we started out in. Not something we're interested in being a part of.

Most collectives can't offer you anything you can't do on your own. It's just a group of individual comics sharing an ad network and links. The comics that pulled big numbers before Hiveworks still pull big numbers on Hiveworks, and will continue to pull big numbers after they leave the group. It will still be up to the individual creator to build their own personal platform to ensure their comic's longterm viability.

That being said, I agree that SpiderForest might be a good alternative. We know a lot of the creators over there, and they're pretty solid.

I might be a little biased since I'm part of Hiveworks (I'm an affiliate64) but my experience has been pretty good. I like a good handful of the comics on there but even I wonder how some of the others got their spots. I can only assume that they're generating more ad revenue than one would think. There's certainly no harm in submitting, and even if they don't pick you up you can still buy ad space through them to get to readers hungry for more comics.

My husband and I are DYING at this.
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Haha you guys XD
So - if anyone is still interested after all the cautionary tales, Hiveworks just opened submissions!27

I think it might be worth a try and am considering pitching a new comic. Of course I'm not leaving Tapastic or anything, but it might be nice to put some of my eggs in different baskets and stuff. Woah, this sounds like I'm planning an alien invasion, but anyway lol

From this post, I got super curious over everything, whether or not to apply for hiveworks, and I finally came to a conclusion and thought I'd share everything that I've come across!

Hiveworks:
They promote themselves as a publishing company, but their guidelines to apply are /very/ vague. It also seems like they only accept a certain "look" for their comics.

Also note that if you decide to apply for hiveworks, you will be under contract and exclusivity. Meaning: You have to upload based on a schedule, and your comic can't be anywhere else except hiveworks.

They do assist you in advertising, web design, merch, and things like kickstarter. They haven't openly gave an average of what a creator can get financially saying that it depends per creator, and is mainly based off of ad revenue, and merch. They get a cut of anything sold through their store, and ad revenue.

Also I kinda feel skeptical over them since they don't have a wikipedia (which.. in my opinion a serious business should), they want exclusivity, and they're really vague over what a creator can gain by becoming an exclusive creator for /them/. It's like you can't get to know them unless you're already part of their inner circle/company.

Tapas:
(I never knew most of this stuff tbh, and the reason I came to Tapas is thanks to Yuumei)
Tapas calls themselves the YouTube of webcomics. To me that says a lot to what they want to accomplish.. Leaving creators full control over their creative works is a huge plus to me, plus it's an open platform that anyone can use. They help with Ad Revenue, and I believe the website does a great job in filtering with how comics come up on the front page. I also love that there's a Tapas community, that all creators and readers actively interact with eachother. Plus, we're not contract bound, so we can mirror anywhere else to broaden our readership.

DOUBLE PLUS, they have a LOT of information online; what Tapas wants to achieve, and what they have achieved, we can easily contact the Tapas team, and get to know them too. Tapas has been interviewed in articles, and they have an up to date wikipedia.

AND , Tapas being an app, allows readers to keep up to date with ease, getting notified for new episodes, emails if there's a new episode, etc. Plus it's on the go. Unlike how hiveworks is a collection of websites. they do not have an app.

...LONG STORY SHORT. I love tapas and the uncertainty of Hiveworks scares me. haha

Man, I was really interested in submitting to Hiveworks until I found out about the whole exclusivity thing. I really love the community here at Tapastic and I just don't see enough proof from Hiveworks that they could provide the same kind of benefits. :<
I'm considering giving it a go, but eh... if I can't upload here, that feels like a huge dealbreaker.

@joca are you sure about exclusivtivity thing? I've seen some comics on Tapastic that are also on Hiveworks. They could be in the wrong though soooo <.<

The rules in the submission state that you can't upload it anywhere else beyond social media or patreon because, as they state "interferes with (us) promoting the comic and managing the ads." so who knows if the artist got permission from hiveworks to do so, they were uploading before they got accepted into hiveworks and managed to negotiate it into the contract, or if they're doing it behind hiveworks back lol (an unlikely possibility but, hey.)

Frankly I dont know what to think about hiveworks?? I think the only thing that really draws me to it is just the fact if you get accepted you can say that you're part of it, but beyond that it's just kinda like...what else?

it's definitely exclusive. if you go to those series theyll probably have a notice "moved to hiveworks"
all hiveworks comics have their own sites, which link to other hiveworks creations.
so instead of it being thehiveworks.com/yourcomic its purely just yourcomic.com

I love a lot of comics on hiveworks and I have nothing against them, I just dont think it's a good fit for me personally.

I agree! There's not enough for me to say "heres exclusivity rights to my comic" just to say i'm part of the hive. It's fine if you're just starting with your comic, but I can't find it in me to abandon my tapas fans just because I want to be part of a collection.

straight from their Q&A9 page on their website:

even if you choose to not become part of the hive im sure you can say "im sorry I've changed my mind"

I keep getting told to apply, by so many people all the time but on the off chance they accept me, I wouldn't want to walk away from all the subs I have here. I just don't trust that it would really expand my readership? I want more information, and I want to hear it from someone who's ON Hiveworks, because I've seen a lot of people be really upset about it but never really give a reason why other than what they speculate it might be like. Everything I read has people saying "I have friends on Hiveworks and they like it" and then people who say "I'm not in Hiveworks and I don't like it." I'm so confused I want to know what's going on.

I'm gonna apply myself ( wish me luck) the exclusive site thing doesn't bother me too much as frankly I have less then 60 sub on both my sites currently (most of those being the same readers) and getting my own site for Fate was always the plan down the line. Promotion on a large scale has alway been my weak point so having someone else helping out with that sounds delightful.
I feel just thinking what it is you want for your comic and what your own strength and weaknesses are is the best way to decided what route to go with. Though having insider info would be great! If I somehow make it, I doubt I'll completely dissappear from the forums so I'll share info then.
I'm very nervous about my submission though, postive thoughts would be greatly apprcaited.

@Anthea Good luck love! Yeah I think the biggest thing hiveworks has to offer is advertising, and aide with site work.

@Tweekling Honestly, no harm in applying right? It's up to you how you want your comic to be online. The worst case scenario is that they don't accept your submission. They have a lot of perks too, you yourself have to look at the pros and cons, and what weighs better for yourself and your comic.

Me again! I've noticed a lot of people are confused about what Hiveworks is offering and are scared about losing their number of readers. As an affiliate, Hiveworks spent $2000 to advertise for me my first year. I have a few thousand subs here on Tapastic (after getting exposure through Hiveworks for my other comic) but my other comic site has about 15k individual users this month according to google analytics. Isa (Namesake artist) offered to be my editor and my work improved. They also have an online store where you can sell any merchandise you might have.

They take a cut of your ad revenue only after you hit $1000 a month. It is not reasonable to expect high gains your first few years with ANY webcomic, but I at least can pay a bill or two with comic money now. It really does just depend on how many pages you have to start with and how well you can attract and retain readers. If they think you will earn them a return on investment they will likely take you. Being exclusive is really not that bad, and literally any other publisher would expect the same. Unlike many other contracts, you can choose to cancel the contract at any time. If you do not feel comfortable with the hive you are free to leave and you lose absolutely nothing.

A while back they had to write up some quick guidelines for a previous session of open submissions in which they disallowed gore. This was because they were being sent extremely graphic violence that they did not want to see, and they have since changed submission guidelines. If your comic involves violence that has a point and isn't just gore porn then you still stand a good chance as long as they are interested in your pitch.

I have heard people elsewhere complain that they only sign on comics that are already popular or people they are friends with and that certainly wasn't the case with me. Tigress Queen probably had a few hundred subs at the time and I didn't know anyone who was part of Hive. I was simply a fan of some of the comics on their network and just happened to notice their submissions were open when I was working on a new second comic.

I would say that if you want to make a career out of comics you stand a much better chance on Hiveworks (or at least with another publisher) than you do on any open platform site like Tapastic. This month I made maybe $30 from Tapastic, but about $130 from Hiveworks. Tapastic is great for starting out, it's great for casual creators, but if you are serious about comics then go to a publisher.

Best of luck to those who are submitting!

Nice to know all those details! I'll keep them in mind for my more serious comic smile