Agnostic. Even thought I'm totally disinterested in participating in any sort of organized religion I've found Wicca's tenet of "If it harms none, do what you will" fits the philosophy of how I live my life. So...I dunno, Agnostic Wiccan if that makes sense? Basically, for me, the universe is so vast that even if there are supreme beings, they a) either don't care what a dust mite like me (in the grand scheme of things) does with her life or b) they have already written my life and I would have as much luck influencing them as a character in the Sims has to influence their player. I don't much care which scenario is real, both are equally liberating to me in their own way.
I'm a practicing Roman Catholic lol. I'm also queer, pro-choice, sex positive, I love studying other religions and the occult, am friends with Satanists, read the bible exegetically, and I don't believe that the very sun shines out the pope's ass. I don't think it's fair to say "I'm a Christian so I don't read this, this, this, or this" because any member of any faith is also an individual, and every person of religion has a different relationship and experience with their faith.
I think all of us came in here with the intent of treading very lightly. We knew this could get ugly. XP
Heated religious debates on the internet (or even elsewhere) are, in my opinion, the worst exercise in futility. An Athiest calling a religious person an idiot or a religious person calling an Athiest an idiot goes nowhere real fast, and raarreelly, if ever, do these arguments lead to an actual conversion, so why bother other than just to argue pointlessly?
I think a person's beliefs are all up to the person, in the end. If they question something that leads them to changing their beliefs, or they may stay thinking one thing their entire life, either is fine to me. The one thing we should all agree to believe in is being a good person.
Believing or disbelieving, there is no valid reason to be a d*ck about this, I have seen Athiests who can be just as cold as a religious fanatic. IE "You're a ignorant fool for believing in God and will die believing in a fantasy" or "You're a sinner who's going to Hell for not believing" are both terrible things to say or assume. No ifs, ands or buts.
I genuinely believe some people need religion or at least some level of spirituality, and others don't. I'm not going to tease a Christian for their beliefs when, for all I know, they may need it in their life.
Everyone's different, that goes for their beliefs as well. I think we should be more accepting of this.
Hatred and cruelty has no religious affiliation; there are plenty of horrible people who are atheists, the same way there are plenty of horrible people who are adherents of various religions. We're not here to debate the moral rights and wrongs of of those religions or lack thereof. : )
Tapastic is a nice, friendly corner of the internet - let's do our best to keep it that way!
I guess "unconventional Christian" would be a good way to describe myself.
I believe in God and Jesus, but many of my personal beliefs are a bit different than those of more mainstream Christians.
Personally, I value faith (personal belief and philosophy, and one's own relationship with the spiritual (if one is so inclined)) much more than religion (a physical organization)-- the latter's main value, if you ask me, is in creating a general guideline and organized faith-structure, and a starting point for people to find their way in life, as well as creating a community of like-minded people (a social element, if you will). And that's important, too (for people of faith), but it's different than faith itself.
My personal philosophy is that how you live your life and treat others is more important than what belief system or organization you associate with.
I'm not entirely sure that's how I'd put it. Agnostic is a position on the belief spectrum you can have.
Here's an example of how I see it:
The Christian says: "I believe in God."
The Atheist says: "I don't believe in God."
The Agnostic says: "I don't know if there is a God or not."
Even though I believe in God, I also understand that it is possible that I could be wrong. I am not an agnostic, but I am willing to accept the fact that I could possibly be wrong. And that's different than if I said "I'm not sure if there is a God or not, but I think that probably there is."
Does that make sense at all? Sorry if I'm not clear.
I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes here, I just want to explain how I see the differentiation.
Then again, I could be wrong : )
Ehe, I feel kind alone so far in this topic cause I'm Jewish, Reformed Jewish to be exact, which is the least strict form of Judaism. I don't keep kosher, but I celebrate all the important holidays, and I studied at religious school up through the 10th grade.
Religion is fairly important to me, although it's less about the God part and more about the community and values part. Jewish tidbits show up in my stories from time to time.
Hope you all are cool with it
Yeah! There are four main denominations of Judiasim. Reformed is the least strict, and usually the most liberal in terms of social and political position. Conservative is the next step up; they keep kosher strictly, their services are much longer, and they might celebrate more of the smaller holidays. Orthodox is on the high end of the strictness spectrum. And a subset of Orthodox Jews are called Hasidic. Jews. If you've ever seen a TV show or movie with men in suits and black hats with curly hair hanging down from their sideburns areas, those are Hasidic Jews. They are very, very religious.
I was raised Catholic either, but today I try to believe in my heart. If deep in my heart I feel something is real, or good, or worth believing, I do.
I could say I'm agnostic, but that'd be a lie. There are these days I totally believe in God, I see him in everysingle corner, every spark of life around me, and there are those days I'm pretty sure we're alone in this vast universe and nobody cares for us except ourselves.,
Oh wow. I thought I was the only raised Catholic with agnostic beliefs Though, I have days (usually bad ones) when I want there to be a God to hear me out when I say, "Why?!" when things seem hopeless. People have various ways to be at peace spiritually whenever life throws poop at them, be it religion or meditation. I don't blame people for having strong a devotion to their faith but when they become holier-than-thou, that's when I have a problem with them.
I know a lot of people consider agnostic a position on the spectrum of belief, and therefore believe it to be somewhat mutually exclusive to atheism. However everything I've ever read about it insists it is a knowledge position. And knowledge and beliefs are two different things.
You yourself write:
The Christian says: "I believe in God."
The Atheist says: "I don't believe in God."
The Agnostic says: "I don't know if there is a God or not."
The christian and the atheist are talking about what they believe, but the agnostic is talking about what he knows (or doesn't, or can't).
You can easily add to this and say:
The Christian says: "I believe in God, but I don't know if there is a God or not."
The Atheist says: "I don't believe in God, but I don't know if there is a God or not."
The Agnostic says: "I don't know if there is a God or not."
As to why I call myself atheist, as oppose to agnostic, well, this is the best metaphor I've heard for explaining it:
There is gumball machine. The number of gumballs in there can only be either odd or even. A woman looking at the machine says, "I can't know whether the amount of balls is odd or even." So she's agnostic. But then a man comes along and says, "The number of gumballs is even." And the woman asks, "How do you know that?" To which he replies, "I have been told, and I have faith that's it's true."
If the woman doesn't believe the man, (even if she wants to, but is unable,) then she's an atheist.
It's very important to note: just because she doesn't believe the man's claim that the number of gumballs is even, that doesn't mean she then believes the number is odd, yet she is still an atheist.
I was raised Catholic (i'm Filipino, what can I say? ) but I wouldn't say I'm a very good Catholic. I go to Mass for my family's sake, and I light candles at church, but outside of that, I don't participate in the social aspect of it. I think of prayer and my relationship to God as something intimate and varies from person to person, so I confess and beseech on my own. I'd like to say I'm fairly open-minded about religions, as long as it does not do unjustified harm.
In my opinion, everyone has a spiritual need to fulfill, to recognize their connection to something beyond themselves; many people manage to fill that need without relationship to a deity, or membership to an organized religion. Some people take comfort in nature or philanthropic work. I know people who meditate on their own and learn about themselves that way. While one set of grandparents are strict Catholics, my other grandparents left the church and joined a smaller organization. I'm Catholic, but I don't restrict myself solely to Catholic principles to keep myself upright; I draw on outside beliefs, too.