well i thought it was thought provoking, i can only speak to what I thought about it tho.
That's always the way I've kinda seen them as too @Savannah. I think not only do they manage to find the audience they're looking for right away, but it keeps the people who wouldn't be interested from wasting their time as well. So, while I find it a little frustrating that they gain a large audience very quickly from people willing to read anything with BL on the title, I don't necessarily blame them. My own comic will have strong lgbtqa themes, and I kinda wish there was an easier way to find my audience just like that. But, because it's not romance, there's not point labeling it with BL- I'd just bug both sides haha.
hmmmmm well a lot people would disagree with you and I usually dislike when straight men fetishize lesbian and bi women. It isn't a great thing to do.
I can't stand yaoi/shounen ai that works like that... Makes it difficult to find good stuff to read, when the gay side of the whole manga industry is FULL of that shit.
I don't want to see one more fucking yaoi try to play rape off as something romantic a la "I rape you because I love you". No. You rape him because you're a sick piece of shit, mr seme-guy-thing.
There is one comic... called What-Sexual. They mark their comic with lgbtq. It's not the first time I see it... It doesn't have the type of marketing effect that BL probably has, but what does that matter really? It will definitely catch an eye for lgbtq people looking to read about things they can recognize and sympathize with on another level.
What-Sexual might actually be one of very few comics I read ONLY for the story actually, and I would never have looked at it weren't it for the lgbtq label. Usually the thing that catches my eye is the artstyle of something, and the artstyle of this one isn't really my thing. But the story is really interesting.
So yeah, you could totally put that on your thumbnail if you want to add an extra hint of what the story contains. There is only so much you can tell people with a thumbnail... Considering changing my "BL" one for an "LGBTQIA+" one myself.
Oh no, i didn't mean the fetishization XD yea that's sucky. But that's my personal opinion, and I'm not afraid of going against "a lot of people".
Nor will I go to bat for "Blue" haha, it was an example of a sex-positive, sex-intensive work that's supposedly literary, and supposedly not porn.
Your view, a valid one, is infact similar to the BL discussion this topic is having right now. "Lots of people"1 think BL is a porn-like ghetto, while "a lot of people" would argue the genre tag shouldn't matter as a description of literary quality.
And I tend to be a seperate art from the creation and creator type person.
Did you know David Bowie was a child rapist? He also inspired an undeniable amount of science fiction and video games.
Can someone be terrible as a person in the past (or present), and inspiring as an artist? Bowie implies yes.
Should we muddle the discussion of artistic merit with moral bankruptcy, I think no.
In this case we're purely discussion the BL label, which lead to a discussion of the legitimacy of the Palme D'Or winning "Blue is the Warmest Color" example. A film that led to my appreciation of the nuances of the LGBTQ world, and led me to a more tolerant and appreciative worldview.
All of the above muddles the discussion of BL labels on Tapastic.
Oh, I'll have to read that one too! Thanks for pointing it out, I'll look it up :D As for my own comic, I feel like I might still have the same problem? I'd wanted to make a comic that had lgtbqa+ characters, but I didn't want the story to be about that. I wanted a story about other things, that happened to have lgbtqa+ characters and themes. So I'm afraid that if I mark it as such, I might annoy people looking for a story ABOUT that. I'm afraid they might be like, "What the hell? It's been 20 pages, and no one's even identified themselves yet." And I'd be like, "Yeah, that's because people are trying to kill them. They're busy."
I do have story arcs, about one of the boys and his problematic ex-boyfriend, about a boy being asexual but NOT aromantic and the trouble that causes, and a boy trying to deal with being straight in a world where there aren't alot of women. But those don't come til later, and they're in between the action and magic.
I'd read online that people were tired of everyone making a big deal about lgbtqa+ characters in stories, and just wanted a 'normal' story that had lgtbqa+ characters in it. And I was excited, because that's what my story was, but then I don't know how to market it, haha. But at the same time, I don't want some jerk stumbling into it by accident and going, "Ew, your main character is Bi? GROSS." >: [
So, yeah, I feel like I'm kinda trapped in the middle! XD
ill tell you why i do it....cuz its popular, people can deny it all they want and say that they get harassed for showing forbidden love, but that..shit..is...IN. its loved and obsessed over by the mass majority of web comic readers, i uploaded a BL comic as a joke just to prove it, stupid vampire comic is doing better than my real stuff. i'm over here spending years trying to write a serious comic with good art quality, interesting plot and likable characters (trying)...and all this time i could have just slapped a big BL on the cover. meanwhile you got these artist/writers acting like they fighting the good fight by writing BL and complaining about harassment, when they're sitting there with 2K followers... maaaaaan give me a break...yeah anyways, bottom line, it's POPULAR.
I get your struggle, buddy! In the end, it's your decision as an artist and nobody else's business to decide. Either way works nicely in my opinion.
Lol, hope it's not about me.
Unless you mean some BL vamps, then no, it's not me xD
But yea BL is pretty popular, subs will be growing fast as long as it have BL label on it, no joke, it's actually happening. It doesn't really matter if it's good or bad.
It kinda goes to show that on Tapastic at least, subscriptions don't mean shit. Tere's a pretty huge chunk of users who subscribe to things they don't even read. This is what the BL sign exploits. As I said, pretty braindead.
no i was talking about MY bl vampire story, XD i started uploading it like a month ago and its already doing a lot better than my other stories that have been around for much longer
Then yes, it can hurt... But you know, most of the subs are probably empty, just bookmarked and won't really give you any feedback, so technically your main comic is still doing better ^^
I just wanna make a comment on this. Comics with the LGBTQIA+ label I actually don't mind, as they actually feel more like the tag is there to get readers from the said named community or readers who might be interested in it.
Something tagged with BL just sounds like bad porn, the labels has turned into click bait for fetish comics as that's what most of the ones I have read with that tag are (not all, there are some that are just fine, but then there are just REALLY horrible ones that are just there for the sake of filling a fetish that happens to be really popular)
To give examples when I was first trying to understand my sexuality make sense of myself I looked up BL (as that is what was recommended to me) it was a bad idea and a horrible experience, here are some following examples that for whatever reason, pop up a LOT when I was going through them.
I read a few BL where it was 'cute/funny' to jam an umbrella (or some other long large objects, whatever the author decided was cool I guess) causally up another guy's ass because 'heheh look at him blush, so cute, he's a uke'
I read a whole bunch where 'girls are evil rapists' yet the guys acted even more like rapists but THAT was ok'
There were a frightening amount of comics where literally all the woman in the world have been killed of (I duno, the reasons very usually it's a virus) so the guys are FORCED to fuck each other because they need to keep population numbers up and there is no one else to reproduce with. They aren't even gay (a lot of them like to bring it up, then they feel confused). They're FORCED to fuck other dudes because there are literally no woman left alive.
The rapists... why are there so many stalker rapists?
I read a comic where this one young boy was unsure about his sexuality and suspected that he might be gay. So what does his 'best friend' do to help him figure it out? Organize a gang rape.
That being said ^^^THIS is what the BL tag means to a lot of people. People are not bothered by it because it's a boy/boy relationship, most people here complaining about the BL titles can read comics that have male/male relations JUST FINE. That's not the issue. The issue is that they are bothered because the BL tag's been associated way too many times with fetish porn trash. It's no longer a tag that targets people in the gay community, it's a tag that targets yaoi and gay porn fetishist fans. (In fact, it technically NEVER was. IF you look it up you will learn that the title originated from Japan, 'Yaoi, also known as Boys' Love (BL), is a Japanese genre of fictional media focusing on romantic or sexual relationships between male characters, typically aimed at a female audience and usually created by female authors. It's not made for the LGBTQIA+ community. It's made for girls with a gay fetish.)
EDIT: Oh, ANOTHER really popular one, a comic where a guy is constantly getting raped, but they believe that they 'deserve it' for whatever reason, they are also addicted to it for some reason. They purposely go out and put themselves in situations were they will get raped because they want to punish themselves because they did something to 'deserve this' (usually the thing they did to deserve it is THEM BEING GAY... so yeah I can't see how a comic were the theme is the main character constantly punishing himself for being gay because it's wrong/unnatural/evil can possibly be aimed at the gay community)
@kurapikasuki This is exactly how I feel and my thoughts on the matter. Well said.
@kurapikasuki, my hero claps
I couldn't have said it better.
I'm not really bothered by the BL label because it's convenient for people that are actively looking for that sort of thing. The content might be a little questionable, but you can't stop people from drawing what they want.
The "problem is not that people do them, it's more about the audience, if you draw BL it's more likely to be noticed than your other work. Some creators may feel discouraged because BL have all the attention.
