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This is an interesting thought, and something that I've been thinking about as well. My own story is going to be kind of episodic in nature, where you could theoretically read any chunk out of order and understand okay, so I've been thinking about whether to make a new part 2 series for the next story, or to have them all in 1 and just include a tale of contents at the beginning.

Kind of a tricky scenario to choose because there are pros and cons to both ways xD I think I'm definitely going to make a part 2 series on webtoons though, where my current comic never really took off.

My sub counter doesn't ALWAYS stay the same, but yeah I have many weeks where the number of subs I gain is the same as the number I lose. I always figured it was normal.

I write for stress relieve and i don't look at the numbers

THIS!

Let's just open a bottle of good, French Champaign (the real thing), sitting in an armchair with you and talking about how subscribers are the most unimportant thing and then moving on to how the last angsty moment of your life has led to your writing the best chapter in your literary career.

I stopped number watching a long time ago and I got peace of mind. unfortunately I don't have this issue. I have a pretty good following and even if I were to lose a couple of subs I gain it back in a couple of days. all I'm saying is that, pay more attention to your comic/ story and do the best you can. if you number watch it could get you all stressed up. if you feel that the reason why you lose subs could be due to your story then try to come up with a way of revamping, or restructuring the story line it in a way its more appealing ( I did that with my current work). this has worked for me.
anyway, another thing to keep in mind s that people naturally lose interest over time so don't stress. :relaxed:

FWIW, I have accidentally unsubbed on Tapas before because I thought I wasn't subbed due to the UI.

I also feel the need to clean up subs from time to time because I really really hate getting spammed with tons of notifications especially for creator wall posts. Sometimes if I'm not following a series religiously the time-out posts and schedule updates really aren't relevant to me. And/or people will post updates on other unrelated stuff, which I totally understand (I do this too), or say on their other series which I don't read.

Personally, I think Tapas ought to separate creator wall posts subscriptions from comic/novel subscriptions. I would keep a lot more subscriptions if I was just subscribing to new episode updates rather than everything else at the same time.

Maybe I wasn't clear, but I already said that I'm not interested in numbers... I don't need them, I totally prefer have few followers but good, than a lot of inactive people around.
In fact I'm not obsessed with it, I don't spam over the basic crossposting, I'm fine with my slow growth because I consider my artistic career a long beautiful path, not a podium... btw- I started this discussion only because it was strange to me that in a year only on Tapas my followers unubscribe everytime.

And please, admit that we ALL authors/artists watch at the numbers... even a little, because we need to know understand our followers, if we are doing well... it doesn't have to be an obsession, right! But is also objectively important asking for an audience/feedback, because it's part of the growth for an artist (together with studying and practicing), can't deny it.

I'm happy for you! :hugging:

Usually me neither, not obsessively of course, that's why I don't have many views and followers and so I noticed this strange trend on Tapas. Alike the people on Instagram who follow and then unfollow after few hours :thinking: x-files theme song plays at the distance

Hm, nice, have you ever tried the "Mark all read" button in the notification menu? :joy:

Btw- I appreciate your sincerity, that's one of the comments I hoped to read instead of "OMG! why do you look at the number of followersss?1!!???", I suspected that the creator wall posts wasn't helping at all, but Tapas give us this feature... but also the possibility to our followers to ignore the notifications with the "mark all read" button. So I guess... I can't really figure it out as a big problem, but as I said I appreciate your comment anyway.

Yeah, I've noticed the same thing with our comic. We get a bunch of subscribers and then, a little while later, we lose them and return to the exact same number we were at before the gain in subscribers. And this has happened several times over the past three months.

Not sure if it's a system issue or if it's just a series of unlikely coincidences.

Well, for those, we know what happen, no? People go through a tag, follow random accounts that recently posted and unfollow if they don't get followed back in the next few days.
So it could be an explanation too (in some cases only, though), if the unsubs are from comic artists and not only comic readers: maybe one of the links to the comic gets popular, some people sub in hope to be subed back, did not and unsubed?

Further, I personally notice a lot of those "pay us to get 5k followers!" type accounts randomly follow me, and always disappear within hours/days if you don't follow through xD

Could be funny if it was 5.000 subs that subbed and all of them left if you didn't pay

Actually, my subscribers have been a little off and I've noticed after I saw this post. My stats say I've gained followers today, but it hasn't reflected in the number of followers I had. Maybe the same amount unsubscribed? I have noooo idea.

for some reason, I feel as if you are coming a bit defensive. I only replied according to how I understood your initial question and if you aren't coming off as defensive then my bad. good to know you aren't watching numbers:relaxed: you also mentioned "ALL authors/artists watch at the numbers... even a little", that's not me, not even a little bit.
the way I feel about it is, if I gain new readers great if not, that's okay. because I believe that people are attracted to what they like and would read what looks good to them. and, I don't think Tapas go out of their way to delete inactive readers. I see no need for them to do that. just because they are inactive for two years docent mean they won't come back.
there is a comic i follow called "Take care of my cat". The last update was December 21 2015. if tapas were to delete inactive people, that my friend, would have been long gone. Just saying.

^this!
I was asking for this, if someone know something about issues in the Tapas system 'cause it's strange.
Even on Instagram a lot of people put the follow but then remove it, or lose interest in our works after a few time... but I never experienced a stalement like this...

By the way, please stop shaming people who "look at the numbers", of course it's not a good thing when someone is an insecure person, and the situation could be toxic... but if it's a healthy check of the statistics for learn something and grow better in a community... this is totally fine.
I already explained that it's my situation, I don't care if I have 800 or 1000 subscribers, really- I was just asking to the Tapas authors if they expereienced this strange statlement of the subscribers in this platform, because in the italian community we noticed it randomly chatting and we were wondering why a lot of people is having this "problem".

Yes, probably is just a users mood in this site (alike peple on intagram who follow and then unfollow after a few hours because it's a method to draw attention, or something like this...), nothing wrong with Tapas itself.

If this happens to my Instagram account I shrug and ignore it, because I already know that a lot of users do that so I don't pay attention to my followers counter at all.
But I wasn't sure if the users do that even on Tapas, apparently yes! :thinking:

as someone who DOES watch numbers and has no problem admitting that (because my comic is like my job, I need to know whether my comic is still doing well), i'll tell you that I have STOPPED watching numbers on Tapas because it never changes. The only time it changes is when I am featured on the front page or something similar. I'm not sure why tapas has such slow growth, it's very strange to me.

My comic grows larger every single day on webtoons (150,000+ right now) but it remains at a very similar smaller number consistently on tapas.

why? i have no idea. I just gave up and I only upload on tapas anyway for the people who only read on tapas. but at the end of the day, tapas is just an extra website to me now. I focus my comic on webtoons and just happen to upload on tapas too.

Same situation!
But I recenlty (re)started the crossposting on webtoon. Months ago I stopped the publication on it due to my dayjob, it doesn't permit me to manage more than two platforms, but now I left my job so I need to know in which site is better to invest my time and energies.

(Let me love you!)

Free series have been basically invisible on Tapas app for a long time, so it's not surprising that growth is so slow. You basically HAVE to advertise off site. I wonder if it will improve now that the app has been updated with better visibility?

And who exactly did I shame?? I'm so confused. choose your words wisely. I was only speaking for myself. telling you that not every artist / author watch numbers thats all. Never mentioned anyone. so please, don't say i'm shaming anyone because I never mentioned anyones name, neither did I point a finger towards anyone. just giving an opinion which I see is being blown out of context.

oh speaking of, I noticed that you guys have a specific website for your comic and i've always wondered what the payoff/point of it was. I think it's nice and i've wanted to try, but do you earn back what you pay for the website domain etc etc? Is it worth making a site for your comic?

i'd say that I've had better luck with webtoons in the long run. i've been on both sites for a very long time and while they perform similar within the first 6months - 1 year, I think webtoons just has better site and more people.

Our website is pretty new and there isn't much there, so I can't say how "worth it" it is yet. It's sitting on a host Del already has for her pro portfolio so it's being paid for through non-comic things. Our webstore is being funded with leftover Kickstarter money. Pretty much the only reason it exists was for the sake of the Kickstarter and as a backup in case something happens to Tapas and our readers need to know where to go. It kinda feels more professional? Or maybe we're just old fashioned, lol.

I follow some comics that exist only on their own sites, and the fact they still exist means someone is getting enough out of them to justify the time/cost. But if you already have a Patreon and/or active social media, I'm not sure if it makes sense on top of that.

That was one of my fears (I didn't know about it, of course).

I'm sorry but you acted as a kind of 'superior being' since the start because you are so good at ignoring your followers counter, and I don't even want that kind of discussion because I was talking about a problem in the Tapas algorithm (and it's confirmed).
So, thanks anyway for your advices! ^^

i have a problem with inactive subscribers i try to be more consistently with my upload schedule, but i can't get a response from most of my subs. I don't even know what to do at this point, I've just been so happy with making my comic it makes me feel like its for nothing.
I've had people sub and then unsub when i upload the chapter after the prologue, makes you really question if your doing some thing wrong.
This makes me realize that i have to make my comic for me at the end of the day.

That's a good thing in general, you have to do it for yourself in the first place! Keep going on, challenge yourself everyday and put in your mind that you will become better and better with time,exercises, studying... be patient, enjoy your work even if it's not perfect (nobody is perfect! ahaha~) and carry on. You'll go far, no matter if slowly or quickly!

Don't worry about it, is not only a problem of subscribers... someone could unsubscribe, and it's fine... but lately Tapas is messing with the algorithm of the site. Not your fault.

Yes, please, don't stuck your mind on the number of subscribers, that's a phase we ALL go trough... my post here was referring to a problem with this site and I was searching for other users feedback about this.
I don't complain anymore about subscribers because I love my comic and I will continue it no matter what, sometimes I keep an eye to the statistics because it's totally normal being interested in our readers activity.

I personally have noticed a serious drop in views/subscribers since Tapas changed their front page about a week ago. Now there's no "latest updates" section or whatever it was called. So, before the change, a new comic could hang out there and gain a few new subscribers, now each update simply goes unnoticed. I used to constantly get 10-20 new subscribers for each update before the change; for the update I've posted after the change, I got only 1 new subscriber (and very few views). This change makes comics that haven't gained enough fan base to get to 'trending' virtually invisible. I hope Tapas could reconsider and return the 'latest updates' section... I'm not sure to whom this issue could be directed, maybe @michaelson could help?

We do not delete inactive accounts, but we do purge accounts that use disposable email domains from time to time, as well as blacklist those types of domains as we've found that they're typically used to generate "Free Hack/Scam" series.

The algorithmically generated sections of the site should only account for Trending/Popular, which shouldn't necessarily cause a loss of subscribers?

There's no limit, I think it's kind of odd to impose limits on that.

Hm, so growth is directionally proportional to two main factors:
1) Publishing (i.e. organic growth (or passive growth) - so when you publish fans might share your work)
2) Marketing (i.e. direct growth (or active growth) - so when you share on social)

And I don't mean passive to be a negative thing at all, actually quite the opposite, the strongest type of growth we see on Tapas is always going to be organic or good word of mouth. The problem with organic growth for long form series is that the direct entry point for MOST readers is going to be the first episode or prologue, meaning the opportunity for your readers to hit that share button is quite limited. We see different growth trajectories for short form or gag-a-day series as a majority of their episodes enable that entry point.

So, for long form series it makes sense that there's a natural decay in growth unless there's marketing (or active growth) involved to inject new readers.

I wouldn't necessarily draw any correlation to that yet since it's only been a week.

The new updates section on the newest mobile app version actually reduces the barrier to entry for most series since it went from needing 150 subs to 15 subs.

Is there a new updates section on the main page of the app? I can't find it. I just checked again and all I saw was "Trending Now", "Premium Comics", "Top Charts", "Popular Comics","Popular Novels", "Top Genres" (that lead to lists sorted by popularity), "Binge Worthy", "Premium Comics", "Tapas Original", "Creators We Love"…
I'm not trying to argue or something, I just really don't see how new comics could gain new readers now that everything on the main page only directs them to the stuff that's already popular...

It's somewhat better than it was before, at least at first glance. Prior the best way community comics had to be seen on the app was through the "Community Tab", but only series with 150+ subs would show up on the fresh episode list.

Now from the main page it's easy-ish for a reader to pick a genre, and then they can sort those by popularity or upload date.

Further, the "Fresh" section moved under the explore Tab, and now only has a 15 sub threshold. A lot of comics that used to be near invisible to app users can now appear, so I'm happy about that ^^ granted the update is so new I have yet to see if it'll actually help (and not just in theory) but as someone with <150 subs I'm optimistic about it at least.

I don't believe many users bother with sorting when they can just scroll down the list which is already sorted by popularity...

As for the "Fresh" section, it's cool, I've only now noticed it. Yet it's probably less visible or popular with visitors, I guess, because otherwise I have no explanation for the drop in subscribers from a steady 10-20 in the first few hours after an update to only 1... I've always updated on the same day and more or less same hour, so apart from the application's layout nothing else has changed...

True, granted I have no idea which of the options true pure readers use, as my experience/priorities as a creator/reader i imagine are pretty different. Would be cool if there were a means to poll readers about that kind of stuff :sweat_smile:

That's not at all to say your anecdotal evidence is off base though. My stats have been the same before/after the update so far, but that's including that I get maybe a sub or two a week, oftentimes 0 xD and similar amounts of views/likes/comments (i do a fair amount of social media promotion though, so I'm sure those views and such are consistent regardless of the app's state). After another few weeks or months pass it'll be interesting to see some long term data :open_mouth:

1 month later

Readers grow. What interested them 6 months ago is not what interests them now anymore. Let us be honest, the comic reader base always has a mean age of, what? 20-25? Life is not fixed at that age. You are not fixed. The uni you go to will change you, the job you get will change you.
As well, there is this instant gratification thing our generations has going on. We want everything right now! So, waiting for the update, waiting for the plot to evolve, waiting for the comic to end, all of that is stress and pressure we are not trained to sustain. I can say, being a reader and certainly not an artist myself, it is not your comic's fault. It is not our fault either. Nothing is wrong with either parts of this equation. We just lose interest and move onto something new as soon as the circumstances in our life change our focus.