A.I. vs. Beginner/Developing Artwork?

[simonitropunk]

Something of a concern I've been thinking about the growth of A.I. art and it's nice that Tapas is taking a stance. Many of us, unfortunately, aren't the best artists and we are still developing as we go along especially hands... whether humans and A.I., that seems like the most difficult stuff to get better at.

So, if the A.I. can have like six fingers or more, would that still be mistaken by a developing artist who accidentally drew a character with six fingers unintentionally?

"AHA!!!! YOU ARE USING A.I!!!"

"No, I don't! It's just my art sucks and I'm working on it."

"Okay? You have six fingers here and your figure is messed up, that's A.I."

We can have an argument like that sometime down-the-line. Something being wary about who's still a developing artist could get accused of it when he/she never did to begin with.

What do you all think?

[VibrantFox]

The thing about this is even pros who have had their work used to train ai get accused of ai even though it's their body of work that's been stolen and anyone who is also an artist can pretty easily detect the difference between beginner mistakes versus ai tells and there have been loads of threads that do their best to point out what some of them are

I can get folks having fears of these kinds of accusations being thrown at them but it usually a specific crowd of folks or just panic or paranoia that leads to them (and its hard to blame given how rampantly the content is being spread). A lot of folks do point out that it's important to not rely solely on detection tools to find out tho coz even those can missread and assume human made art is ai generated which is why it comes down to communication, openness and trust though the third is obviously harder to win. That said there's folks who I've followed for years seen their art journeys and you can still tell it's their style that has simply grown and improved as to someone who's somehow gone from say stick figures to the mona lisa overnight so i feel like it's just a matter of critical thinking skills at that point

I know what my art journey has been and there's still LOTS of places to find both my old and new art so people can see my full body of work and know oh yeah they definitely made that themselves and at the end of the day even if someone did try to hit me with the "oh you're using ai" i've been hella vocal about my distaste for it and insistent about never using it because what do i need a machine using stolen data when i can just make my own crappy art and have fun in the process so it's not a huge worry of mine

[moontokkym]

You're more likely to be accused of your art being AI if you're semi-pro/pro tbh. Beginners make mistakes that are age-appropriate, experience level appropriate and human.

Young kids won't do the correct amount of fingers, most adult beginners will. Your proportions will be off, but there will still be a coherent body and frame that is recognisable as a human, etc...

AI mistakes are usually visible because of the dissonance between the use of colour (which is usually very good because it's the only data point the machine can really identify well) and incoherent shapes. Usually human artists will have things they are better at but it's never "my colour theory is pro-level but my lineart is shaky AF". If your proportions and shapes are a bit off your colours will be too and artists will be able to see that and easily go "oh yeah I remember when I was in that learning phase".

[kyupol]

Just draw traditional or post wip multiple steps of the way so you know it's not ai

[DasIstWunderblyat]

I remember the mangaka of Slayers was accused for using an AI because of an extreme style change, or an artist getting their art taken down from Reddit because it was suspected being made by AI.

I feel sorry for those artists who worked hard to develop a style and make a name for themselves, having so many admirers who want to emulate and study their styles, only that now when the AI craze hit we will doubt things the authenticity of images that are drawn in their art style.

Beginner artists like me? I have no worry.
Nobody wants to feed my drawing for the machine to learn, it isn't lucrative to emulate my style. And as the other say, people can easily detect beginner vs AI most of the time.

[DokiDokiTsuna]

We can have an argument like that sometime down-the-line. Something being wary about who's still a developing artist could get accused of it when he/she never did to begin with.

That's already been happening for a while now...^^; Especially now that generative AI can often produce art that doesn't have any overt flaws, and can also generate fake WIPs based on finished art.

We're definitely at the point where it basically 'takes an artist to know one', because we're the only people who have the skills to tell the difference between a mistake a developing/tired artist would make, and a mistake a computer would make (mismatch between line weight/detail, meaningless shading/highlights, incomprehensible anatomy errors (i.e. amateurish forms with pro-level rendering)).

It's not easy to be an AI detective anymore (look up what people were saying about the recent Pokemon art contest fraud entries, if you want a taste of how tough it is now)...and conversely, if you get accused, it's not easy to prove that you're a real artist. There have even been instances where actual artists use AI and cover for it with their own skills (is it really worth it??? People are weird...), muddying the waters even further.

I think the most important things to do now, for the sake of staying aware, are to (a) listen to what genAI detectives tell you to look for, because the strategies change over time, and (b) keep an open mind, and make sure you have solid proof before drawing a conclusion about the legitimacy of someone's work. And if you have a choice between an accusation and a question, ask the question!

[pillarsnek]

There's no great way to say this, but I don't think it's possible to mistake a beginner making those kinds of mistakes with an AI rendering. AI is developed off of so many professional artists as a data set that the rendering will almost always be more advanced than a beginner.

A beginner who's making a mistake like "too many fingers" is also probably making a lot of mistakes with lighting, composition, color tones, and more. The AI, on the other hand, is going to get a lot of those things spot on at a glance. It'd be suspicious as hell if a "beginner" artist had too many fingers while also having a near-professionally-rendered piece otherwise.

[RedLenai]

So, if the A.I. can have like six fingers or more, would that still be mistaken by a developing artist who accidentally drew a character with six fingers unintentionally?

Not really, most of AI art uses as its database the work of professional artists, therefore if something with a good rendering, color balance, overall anatomy and even lights, shadow and composition, will be extremely odd to have such a mistake like 6 fingers or certain blurring errors.

A beginner would likely have other elements that will be on a similar level to their anatomy, therefore if they have anatomy errors it'll still make sense based on their other aspects, coloring, shading, proportions, deepness, composition, arrangement, etc.

An important thing to do, is to check someone's portfolio.
An artist regardless of how much they try to change their works, style and whatever, there are certain habits and mistakes that are repeated, there is a lineal growth most of the time that shows the pass of time between one drawing and another.
AI works won't have that invisible line, therefore its easier to call out. While checking the works you'll notice that the mistakes are extremely different from one picture to another, something that its resolved in a picture its not in another, the growth of the skills is not lineal, there isn't a snowball effect in sense of development, its more like chopped.

I usually use this method while checking portfolios and analyzing people's works. That's how I usually caught tracers and plagiarists, especially when they show their """"Art process"""", its so easy to tell they didn't make something since they don't know how to fill the gap of one step to another.

We can have an argument like that sometime down-the-line. Something being wary about who's still a developing artist could get accused of it when he/she never did to begin with.

Its not really a hard argument, the solution is quite simple:

Someone gets accused of tracing or using IA? Ok, time for a livestream, making a drawing from start to finish and having the people accusing, watching in real time then done.

Another thing is to instead of doing TimeLapses (Like the canvas being recorded) is to record your whole desk, where hour and date show. Even if the person tries to edit, cropping, photo manip and more are other set of skills that are not really that easy to fool someone and its a lot of extra work that most of the time, a liar wouldn't invest in solving.

I have a toaster for a computer, therefore I know that is possible to stream or to record one's whole creative process of an image.

[thepenmonster]

So, if the A.I. can have like six fingers or more, would that still be mistaken by a developing artist who accidentally drew a character with six fingers unintentionally?

A beginner wouldn't be mistaken for AI because AI is still plagiarizing the visuals of a million professionals. It will look like six fingers by professionals.

Beginners will not be able to make six fingers of that skill level.

Anyone who sees a beginner's mistakes and launches into an accusation of AI is obviously an idiot, and thus not someone to be listened to.

[hamzeh-a]

use ai if you're a writer, draw if you're an artist

[EncryptedWriting]

No. Don't use AI as a writer as you support the theft of artists all over the world. There are free, moral ways to picture a character or background.

[KennethLopezJr921]

The only situation I could see any artist drawing more than 5 fingers are if they are in a deadline crunch or too in the zone to recognize a mistake. Even beginner artists know that humans only have 5 fingers due to the sole fact that we're humans and not algorithms (Even calling it Artificial Intelligence is an oxymoron since those chatbots and machines are far from being "intelligent" I feel like)

[RedLenai]

Honestly, don't.

As previously mentioned, AI uses artists's work without their consent, scrapping it for their database.
Same happens with other AIs like ChatGPT, where the works of writers are scrapped too, be it articles, original fiction, fanfiction, research papers and more.

If you're a writer but need visuals, pay, collab or learn.
If you're an artist but need writing, pay, collab or learn.

[NickRowler]

I think most people will be OK. AI tends to build off a few styles which are easy to spot. I can see if you were interested in that anime style, then it would be a bit annoying if people thought it was AI.

But there is nothing wrong with showing your process. I remember people used to accuse hyper-realistic artists of just putting a b/w filter over a photo, so they started to post more process and WIP photos of their work.

[Lensing]

I don´t think people ever confuse beginner artwork with AI generated material
and it´s also something beginner artists don´t have to worry about.

AI is harmful for professional writers and illustrators

The AI generated comics that I saw so far all sucked big time because the people who
created them didn´t have story telling skills and also no graphic skills and they just
mashed some AI generated pictures together. I think it would be possible to create
something outstanding but that would require some creative skills that they don´t have.

[Wolsal]

There’s a difference between ai art and beginner art, it’s usually easy to tell the difference. Let me break it down:
A.I art: Usually made with the style/technique as a professional artist, but with the mistake of a beginner. It looks too smooth, too rendered, and overall uncanny. The mistakes will seem out of place for the actual rendering and style.
Beginner art: Beginner art will, of course, be beginner! It will not be rendered and stylized the same way a professional would, as of course it simply isn’t professional (yet). The rest of the art will be congruent with the mistakes made, and won’t just be out of place mistakes. Stylistically, this artstyle is (in my opinion) more honest the artist. It has more personality and heart.
So, in conclusion, I wouldn’t worry about it! And if it really became a big issue, I’m sure there are ways you could prove its legitimacy. And, always remember, beginner art is and always will be ethically and appearance-wise better than ai.
Keep on making art, and ignore the art theft and idiocracy of the ai fad.