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Oct 2020

All in favour of fixing the genres.

I like the idea of choosing from a finite number of genres for a given story, let's say 3.
Either one main genre with a few sub genres or choose any 3 genres to represent your story.

My comic as an example:
Main: Romance
Sub1: Psychological
Sub2: Fantasy

alternative
Genre1: Romance
Genre2: Psychological
Genre3: Fantasy


I do think it should be limited on how many you can add so that you know how to focus on your story for one and you don't clutter the genres.
If they gonna add LGBT genres, they should add mature, psychological, tragedy, scifi and such as well. Oh and scifi/fantasy should be separate. In fact are the actually under the same label? Because that's stupid if so.

BL and GL are standalones simply because there's a lot of them out there so it makes sense. Though I could see them being under a subgenre since it's a sub of Romance.

Okay basically, I just want tragedy and psych added because those are my favourites. If they can add horror, they can add tragedy. Additionally, I like the idea of a mature label if your comic contains lot of mature themes, not just on individual pages so it can flag the warning for the comic as a whole (just an idea, may not be good feel free to correct me)

No, because Fresh in the MAIN GENRE is the main or the only means of exposure on this site for the not social-media super-stars creators.

But the combined genre category will be overflown with works, making it far harder to find readership. Atm, if you add up Romance, BL, GL and LGBTQ, you will have a GIGANTIC category, so might as well go and post it on Wattpad then, hoping to stand out among the 60 billion books.

Anyway, it's good the way it is imo for romance divided into 4 main genres each with its own Popular, Trending and Fresh. It's just how it works. Post in Action, and you are going to sit in Fresh for a few hours, but your potential audience pool is small. Post in BL, and you will have 5-10 books right over you the minute you've posted, but bigger pool. Combine all romances--and good-buy any exposure.

BL is certainly not hurting for readers, so concerns about avoidance are unwarranted & nothing stops anyone from choosing Romance as their main genre. People specifically want to go to BL and GL hoping for more audience or shop around for audience in 2-3 main categories.

And no pedantic argument is going to change the practical side of things that dictates that romance has to have multiple categories while Action doesn't.

Thinking that people actually search on tags or subcategory is unrealistic. We are very, very lucky if they select Free-to-Read and click away to Fresh in a Genre!

Well, that's exactly why 2 years ago I tried to get the forums to brainstorm additional ways for smaller creators to be discovered because I still believe there's a popularity ceiling that most series hit where they got stuck outside of the Fresh section and don't have enough readers to reach the Trending category. I wanted things like Creator recommendations and rotating pools, and the ability to be randomly suggested a comic in a genre of your choosing but people were very combative about this because they saw it is me, a small creator, being butthurt.

None of what I'm suggesting will probably be implanted. but the goal here is to also provide a solution that benefits the romance/BL/GL genres further. They wouldn't go away. They'd be more robust. This way you could find Sports/BL or Horror/GL or and Romance/Westerns you wanted, etc.

This system would ideally, prevent any one genre from becoming oversaturated by a secondary genre because you can filter out the secondaries. Like if you wanted to see the best non-BL Romance, for example.

I mean it's not gonna happen any more than they're gonna give us an age rating system, remember it look years of "if BL gets a category why doesn't GL and LGBTQ" to change it, but ok.

A few things:

You can have sci-fi and fantasy under one main genre (perhaps as speculative fiction which is the super category for science fiction, fantasy, horror, superhero fiction, alternate history, utopian and dystopian fiction, and supernatural fiction and others) and then have them separate as secondary categories. Sci-fi and fantasy are too large on their own without lumping them together. If you went in looking for LOTR and the genre was cluttered with Blade Runner, it'd be a problem, right? Also, compare Blade Runner to something like Star Wars. Compare LOTR to The Witches or to Twilight. These are massive categories on their own. If anything should be lumped it should be Action/Adventure (which is actually a very common grouping, you yourself have used it above).

We've been talking about genres for a long time, and the generally the agreement tends to be we just need more. Most people aren't hugely offended by the ones we have but just want more ability to sub categories. There's a massive difference between urban fantasy and high epic fantasy, between a hack and slash bloody horror and a spooky atmospheric ghost story horror and a psychological horror. Just look at how many different genres I just listed for speculative fictional alone.

I don't see how yet but that is partially what this forum post is for.

I'm just reading all the replies kinda lost on the subject of how this new system would work. It sounds complicated and that's a big turn off for me for using the search feature :upside_down: I genuinely like where we're at, I just want more genres to pick from. That's it. None of this prime, secondary business. Just.. more genres.

Some of these main-secondary combos just don't work. Like, none of the six main categories really work with Non-fiction as a secondary. If a creator makes -- say a drawing tutorial like "Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga" -- this doesn't match any of the six main categories. For a Tapas-derived example, look at the novel series "The Stalker" which is all book reviews. The entire reference section of my library would have the same problem.

I don't have a problem with the concept of major and minor genres as organizational tools. It's just the way.that these were selected seem to be focused in preserving the way things already are done (which is why Action and Adventure remain separate categories) and making that broken system more complex with more choices. To borrow a software term, that's feature creep. The proposed change doesn't actually fix anything as far as I can tell and therefore isn't enough of an improvement to justify the change.

I think it's just an over complicated way of saying main genre and sub genres. My comic is mainly sci-fi but there are some hints of fantasy and romance. But more complicated.

That's basically what I'd vote for lul. More genre options and more genres you can pick. It should definitely be limited how many you choose but, how many can we pick now? 2? Could do with more

When Tapastic first started, you only could choose one of like 5

Honestly, true. An ability to choose more than one genre to filter the story we're searching is what we need for. I don't think it needs to be divided into prime and secondary genre. Just... a bunch of genres where we can mix and match to find a randomly specific story.

I second that. The very premise of my story is based on the fact that magic exists and lets you do things you normally wouldn't be able to do, if you take that out of the plot, the entire story would make no sense... so no, it's definitely not just an "aesthetic" thing. I also wouldn't lump sci-fi and fantasy in the same category, as they're two very different things. They can overlap depending on the story, but that isn't always true and putting the two things together would make it hard for people to find what they're truly looking for.

Overall, I don't think I like this whole distinction between "prime" and "secondary" genres... especially since a lot of the genres I see listed as "secondary" are actual genres of their own, often with a long and well established literary tradition (poetry, anyone?), not some sub-genres or whatever, so why calling them "secondary" or using them to "refine" a research? If I'm looking for poetry in a book store I look under the poetry section, not under "drama", "action" or whatever. I find it far too convoluted and counter-intuitive for both readers and creators.

Personally, I like the current system in which we pick a main genre and then add a couple more labels to define other themes that can be found in our stories. What I'd do is adding more genres and give sub-genres to each category. So, for example, the "Fantasy" category would be left exactly where it is, but additionally you could pick a sub-genre, which can be High Fantasy, Urban Fantasy, Dark Fantasy etc. That would help sort things better, help readers find the exact sub-genre they're looking for and also make it easier for creators of specific sub-genres to be found, especially when it comes to extremely broad categories where it's easy for your work to get drowned under all the much more popular stuff. Basically, more options, rather than less.

Because you rely on the readers to come to the site with a very specific idea of what they want to read in mind, then go through a ladder process to find it. That's not realistic and inconvenient.

The Genres should be sensitive to what's popular and organically break out the large incoming streams of that, even if they are technically a subgenre, because, practically, who cares?

Which Tapas did with BL and GL, etc, and will, hopefully, do with Paranormal or Isekai or High School

Honestly I think a more actionable change based on things that are already on the site would be to make secondary genre tags on our works actually have a mechanical function in terms of search or filtering.

Right now, secondary genres we pick are pretty much just descriptive. My ranking determined entirely on my place in the "Action" Genre, and that's fine, but let's say hypothetically, somebody really liked my comic and went "hmm, okay, Action-LGBTQ+, Fantasy.... what else has those three tags?
If we had a way of searching things by narrowing down to two or three genre tags, somebody who liked my comic would be recommended stuff like "Magical Boy", which I think they'd almost certainly like. Unlike the current system, which recommends just whatever is popular in the "Action" genre.

Basically rather than shuffling all around the genres we have, make the genre combinations have a function for searching or filtering and recommendations. Combined with adding frequently asked for genres like "Paranormal" and you're onto a winner. "Okay I want... Paranormal and Romance....everything with those two tags in order of popularity" BOOM, the site recommends you all the stories about straight romance where people are in love with werewolves and vampires and whatever.

That is essentially what this is. The Prime and Secondaries are all treated functionally the same I just have them divvied for organization. It could be exactly this but just with more options, I just figured boiling it down would make it easier to find what you're looking for or filter out what you aren't.

I believe this to be a misconception of how stories work. The world details could easily be translated to a real-world version. This takes some bearing with me.
Yes in fantasy things that are impossible in our world become possible but that doesn't change the nature of themes of the story. Most fantasies use this world-difference to highlight issues with our own world. Lord of the Rings for example, you can easily swap the fantasy races with real world ones, make the ring some sort of tempting but dangerous weapon like, I dunno, the button to a nuke, and make the Orcs part of some radical warring cult. obviously this is less interesting but you could make the same story with the same themes without the fantasy elements. Thus my reasoning.

Yes it seems my naming scheme is ruffling feathers. I'm going to make an edit.