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Sep 2020

So a few years back, I had kicked around the vague idea for a possible tapastic rating system a while back to more easily filter out stuff like All-Ages comics, teens comics, mature comics, etc beyond the general "Slap a mature filter on individual episodes" system Tapastic currently has.

Thinking more about it with another friend recently and I came up with the idea of possibly having the rating system be something a writer selects before publishing their comic like they do pick a genre? Ratings like "All ages, PG-13, and Mature" for example perhaps? That way people can not just filter out for different genres, but also filter out by rating as well. (Like say looking for a fun "Fantasy All-Ages" comic for a younger friend who is a fan of those types of things for example.

That, or we could do like Hiveworks and have an explicit "Kids/All-ages" comic subsection from the main site as well. That could work as well.

I know it's not a perfect system, but it's an idea I've had that I thought might be a good idea to toss around and see what others think of such an idea. What do you guys think of such an idea?

If you guys have any possible refinements to my idea or other ideas for a possible rating system for Tapastic, please feel free to share as well. I look forward to hearing your ideas for a possible system like that. :slight_smile:

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It's a really common filter system. AO3 and Fanfiction.net both have it and Hiveworks as you say. It's really common to be able to rate at least between suitable for everyone, suitable for teens and you should probably be an adult/mature. Because just sticking a mature filter on an episode doesn't give you an idea of the overall feel of a series. I've written series with no real violence or blood or sex but rated it Mature because it deal with heavy or dark themes. I've got very annoyed in some servers described as SFW that actually mean "don't say anything you wouldn't say in church". There's a big difference between suitable for all and suitable for teens and puritanical, obvious. I've always wondered why Tapas doesn't have it. Especially since they've now made a Mature section I thought it was a step towards it. And just because something starts all ages, doesn't mean it'll stay that way either. You start with cute fluff and suddenly you're in some dark shit, a rating would warn you to an extent that that's coming. Ratings are so common across life, I don't know why Tapas hasn't done it yet.

The only other option is we as creators all agree to put a rating a the start of our summaries until Tapas gets the message.

Yeah, that's a pretty good argument for a rating filter system in that regard as well.

(Coincidentally enough, I got the initial idea from the rare comic creator that puts a rating in their comic summary or on their chapter covers.)

My "rating" is in my tags. I wrote "all-ages" as a tag /shrug. I WOULD greatly appreciate at least a further breakdown from the current "mature" filter because I've seen it applied to like... a fight with a bit of blood, and not even that graphic or gratuitous. To me that's confusing because as an adult, that's not in the least bit "mature". Maybe have the default category be "all ages", have a "PG-13" section for swearing, mild violence and very brief/not-suggestive nudity (i.e. a butt cheek in a locker room or whatever), and a mature rating that actually, y'know... covers the actual "mature" stuff. That mature rating can also be the stuff that won't be visible on the app because TOS, while the default and pg-13 stuff would be. Right now there's a lot of "mature" stuff that isn't available on the app that really should be.

I think this is because the Tapas guidelines are notoriously vague. Which is, you know, fine. They don't want to be super strict and it's open to interruption because they can't list every scenario and context matters (which is why it irks me when people ask for advice on whether something is too mature or should get a filter and they just get quoted the guidelines or linked to them without anything else, like thanks I'm sure they never thought of that and were asking for directions and someone to be condescending rather than advice and clarification). But they are vague and further breaking it down into different categories would help. Because a lil bit of blood and violence, that's probably a PG or Teen rating or something similar but because the guidelines are so vague people stick a filter on just in case.

I'm thinking that the desire for a more robust rating system has always been valid. What it lacked then and now is a sales pitch. If you want this to happen, figure out how to sell Tapas on it. "You should do X, and here is why it will make money for you" is rhe superior statement "You should do X because it benefits me."

Here is the benefit for Tapas:

1-Readers can have an easier time finding something that appeals to them

2-Easier time filtering stuff, because of clearer standards while keeping flexibility on content creation

3-Lowers the chance of any scandal that can harm PR, basically, less damage control.

edit: more reasons:

4-credit to @HGohwell for mentioning it:

Also easier to deal with this pesky apple TOS problem they keep having. Just filter out anything marked above PG13, that way they can stay on appstore and creators agree that by going above this rating they're not getting seen on the the app.

Personal opinion but as it would still be up to the creator to mark their own work, it could still be pretty inconsistent.
Some people are just way more lax than others.
Like how the PG rating 30 years ago let a LOT slide. Ghostbusters was PG and that had some pretty adult jokes and situations.

Yeah, excellent point on that end of things. Which makes me wonder if it would be a good idea to have a general description of each rating as well so that users could get a better idea of what's what when selecting their rating if that makes sense. :thinking:

Haha with that I would still think people will be confused and come to the forums asking, "do you think my series is PG or PG-13?" Especially if their work straddles the line. Say they don't overtly show anything but there's a lot of innuendos that would go over a 10 year old's head.

Yeah, now I think I see where you;'re getting at a bit more. Though that makes me wonder if having more sort of "in-between" options would be good for stuff that straddles the line. Kinda like how Japan's CERO Rating's board has an "Age 15" rating for things that are too much for a "B" rating, yet not enough for their harder "D" or "Z" ratings in that regard.

That's because Ghostbusters predates the concept of "PG-13". PG used to be put on anything that could be viewed by a young audience as long as a parent was there to guide. I think a better example of this shift is that Finding Nemo is G and Finding Dory in PG. People are so worried about upsetting parents that they label things as PG.

I thought it was about star rating system like Webtoon... but i can definitely go by a age-rating system! :+1:
If it does, keep the age-ratings simple and give the creators freedom to set to their fittings. It shouldn't be a strict rule.

Aaah I would love an age rating system! It would make some nice extra protection for people who don't see the age rating in the description.

Maybe go simple and make it mirror the MPAA rating system (Assuming Tapas is based in the US. I actually haven't checked.) along with their descriptors, that's what I use to rate my comic and it is pretty simple. You're going to get people asking about what they should rate their work no matter how detailed and specific you make your system, sometimes we over-analyze things or totally miss the point, that's just how our species is. Or you can use the rating system for books... which I don't know anything about since I normally just read comics, and they seem more similar to film than text literary works.

Regardless, something like this would help a lot of readers avoid stories that may be too much for them.

I would also suggest adding an age restriction for mature/R-rated stories (Similar to how The Duck Webcomics has an age restriction feature for their mature and adult comics), but kids could easily fake their age to see that content, and I'm not sure how difficult it would be to implement a feature like that.

Yes, the Tapas office is located in California, U.S.A.. I seem to recall mention of San Francisco.

As an alternative suggestion, what if we could tag specific content warnings?

For example, I don't put Errant as "mature" because.... well, it's so clean some people seem to think it's for children? (yeah, nah, it's not), but it does/will contain:
Consumption of Alcohol
Violence (including some blood and things like limb loss on magical beings)
VERY Mild cussing like "damn" or "hell" (I tone this down and avoid words like "shit" specifically because I don't know where the line is drawn on language and mature ratings)
Jokes about and allusions to sex (but it won't contain nudity or actual sex scenes)

So really I'd either like to be able to tag that this is a roughly PG13+ or 15-rated comic, OR to put in some tags like "yo, these people might hit things with swords and also they are British adults and they would like to drink beer and make some naughty jokes after a long day hitting things with swords.

Some DVDs and Games have a little chart with the rating that shows whether it contains:
Language, Nudity, Violence, Drugs/Alcohol
and to what degree. Maybe that'd be more useful, since I get that with an international audience and creators, it'll be hard to agree on what's good for specific ages. Naruto contains all the same things as my comic; alcohol, blood, mild swearing, sexy jokes, and in Japan is a shounen manga aimed at about 11-15 year olds, but in the west it's labelled a solid 15 unless censored.

That's true. I don't think anything gets a G rating anymore unless it's like Teletubbies level. xD

Still the MPAA has such arbitrary standards, like how many times certain swear words can be said before it's bumped up to the next level. Or lots of blood is ok in a PG13 movie as long as it's not red or it's animated.

And then they're too strict sometimes with a movie like Love is Strange (2014) which got an R. It's a lowkey drama about an older gay couple who are forced to move in with one of their adult children and their family. There's no violence, no sex, no dark themes, not even any swearing as I recall. And the only thing that could possibly have swayed it to that rating is that they're gay.