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Feb 2024

I posted this up on Bluesky but I don't expect much of a reply:

Would any of your cooler peers be ashamed of listening to Babymetal (or Hanabie or some other J-Pop/Metal hybrid act) to the point of comedically trying to hide their fandom? Or is getting mocked for your musical tastes now a thing of the past that we did back in the days before people had phones sewn into their hands at birth?

I'm writing this post while listening to Atarashi Gakko, so I lack the ken of these things normally, let alone a generation gap.

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I LOVE BABYMETAL AND ATARASHI GAKKO!!!! so me personally i'm not more ashamed of liking them than i would be ashamed to admit i like any other semi-niche band (socially anxious and afraid of mild judgement :skull:)

and the "cooler peers" i know like whatever they like free of shame, which is what makes them so cool!

ofc you're gonna have ppl who like to hate on anything that is even mildly "uncool" or underground in every generation, but for the most part, everyone seems chill to like whatever they like these days

... I'm from 1998 so I technically classify as zoomer, and the answer is no, the whole thing about shaming people and bullying others for enjoying asian music just kinda calmed down around 2016 and decreased even more as years went by. Like, nowadays people openly talk about their geek side, animes and bands they like, k-pop dancers are common, at least when I go outside or visit the Capital.
I must say, bullying diminished just as much snobs stopped believing themselves superior to other people just for their unique and different tastes, or just thinking they come from better older times.

Still, kinda weird you talk like an oldie when Atarashi Gakko is a band from 2015. I thought you would end up referencing and older band like Nightmare or even Porno Graffitti. I still remember how much people bullied those that were fan of L'Arc~en~Ciel

Very interesting.

People still mock eachother for anything, the main difference is that it's easier to find a community of people who like what you like online.

That usually means that where someone pre-internet could have their love of jazz mocked at school and have no one to talk to and just abandon that love to try and find friends, someone growing up today would just have "the place they don't talk about jazz" (school) and "the place they do" (online forums, chatrooms, fansites, etc...).

I work both with kids (though all are gen alpha at this point) and also at conventions. Multiple people have excitedly talked to me about what they love, someone even specifically introduced me to Babymetal at an anime con. They're still kids and working out who they are and what they like that leaves them more vulnerable to other's opinions, but if they have at least one friend who also likes the thing their passion is more resilient.

Also gen Z is currently ages 12-27, 27 year olds don't give a frick about if you like their music if they like it. 12 year olds do.

Short answer: talk to people of the age-group of your character about their tastes in music, books, film, etc... And watch how they react when their peers express an opinion about it.

I'm going to be honest: I think you just aged out of the bullying and found your people (which is really cool btw). People tend to be more tolerant of other people's tastes as they grow up, or at least learn to pick their battles and don't comment on it.

You also don't have as much of the teenage reflex of "they said they don't like thing I like, that means thing bad, that means me bad", so criticism of what you like doesn't usually hit as hard. Plus adults tend to have a stronger foundation of self-esteem and knowledge of what they like so they have the courage to say "my friends don't like it, but I know I do and I don't need to change that to fit in". Meanwhile teens sometimes will try and change their whole personnality and style to avoid being lonely.

Unfortunately there are still snobs, plenty of bullying for kids being "different" in any way (a kid where I work is getting regularly mocked for liking Naruto more than Spy Family).

The things people get bullied for aren't fundamentally different either: being fat, being of minority race in the area, being or "seeming" gay, gender non-conformity, not liking what other kids like, having no friends, being short, speech impediments, low grades, bad haircuts, being friends with another bullied kid... The list goes on and is tedious as hell.

When I mentioned that bullying has diminished, it was in regard of the very specific reason of bullying mentioned here in the Topic, which is liking something different like anime and asian stuff. Not about bullying as a whole.
Thank you for the explanation and assumptions of my upbringing, despite they are incorrect and the fact that the bullying and its reasons for it are quite different from Argentina compared France.

I’m 41. I’m from Newfoundland, Canada.
I was a goth in high school/university. Roughly 1996 to 2007.

I lived in Japan for 10 years.

I speak Japanese. I own a ramen shop.

I do not listen to Babymetal but my daughter would and I guess I’ll just have to put up with in the car.

I make her listen to ULFULS (1990s band from OSAKA) and X-Japan.

I am not a zoomer but I encountered one that said liking Lady Gaga makes you an NPC. ???

I do think people get a bit snobby if you like anything too mainstream. I don’t listen to a lot of music because I am a little hard of hearing, so all the gatekeeping comes off as odd to me.

I live somewhere where it’s common to hear Kpop playing in stores, so I never thought too hard about it.

Good on yah. Makes me wonder if I'd still be there if life went down a different trouser leg...

So things haven't evolved much. Same level of assholery, just different targets.

Yeah, that's something I wasn't expecting when I came back to Canada last year.

I guess I'm technically a Zoomer. But Im 25 so definitely on the older cusp

I LOVE Atarashii Gakko and I like BM too, never had an issue with people thinking it was weird. Though I think the people who know me already expect me to like that kind of music lol