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Welcome to Bite-Size, a daily discussion thread for those writing or drawing their own creations! This is open to webcomics and novelists, though we'll be focusing more on the 'story' rather than the 'art' side of creation to start. This is a space for creators at all stages of their journeys, to create a supportive and welcoming place where everyone can be helped to grow. Don't be afraid to hop in, whether it's post 4 or 400 or 4000!

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Group Bios

@KRWilliams
Preferred Name: KR
Pronouns: They/Them
Genres you create: Fantasy/Romance/Horror
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Online Serialisation
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/KRWilliams1

Preferred Name: Saint.
Pronouns: She/Her.
Genres you create: Romance/Hist Fic/Urban and Low Fantasy.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Online Serialisation
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/saintc

Preferred Name: Aru/Arushi
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres you create: Fantasy, Scifi (and trying my hand at romance)
Where you plan to take your writing journey: I'm a hobbyist writer. I want to finish a book, and gain a following on Tapas.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/arushi

Preferred Name: Silver/LostSpirit
Pronouns: He/Him
Genre: Fantasy (High/Grimdark) (For now)
Where you plan to take your writing journey: As might be the case for many of you, I've been dreaming and narrating stories since I was 10. I've been writing since I was 15. Never once did I think of letting it remain as a hobby. So, maybe, perhaps one day, have kids describe the Curse of Immortals in the same breath as the Lord of the Rings.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/nishantm9594

Preferred Name: Blossie
Pronouns: She
Genres you create: Romance mostly, fantasy (romance)
Where you plan to take your writing journey: I run the account for Blozzie and Hajime, I'm a hobbyist writer and i want to gain a following on tapas and maybe at the online serialization
LInk to Tapas Account: here you go https://tapas.io/bgatotuomah

Name: Joanne
Pronouns: she/her also cool with they/them
Genres: Drama, Romance. subgenres: supernatural, historical fantasy, contemporary
Plans: Ideally I would want to start self-publishing if querying with traditional publishers don't work out.
Link: https://tapas.io/dashalutris

Preferred Name: Iris
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres you create: Fantasy (subgenres of high fantasy, modern fantasy, action)
Plans: Improving my art through comics to maybe get a job in that field, but on the writing side, I just want to improve my writing in general to put the worlds in my head out there!
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/Iris-Grimoire

Preferred Name: Ben
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres you create: Comedy, Slice of Life, Horror
Where you plan to take your writing journey: I’ve been illustrating and primarily drawing comics full time for the past few years so my main goal is just keep pumping out more ambitious work and maybe this year expand the number of publishers I work with? Maybe? There’s also some animation stuff in the works that I’m not sure I’m at liberty to discuss openly yet!!

Preferred name: Kate (but I don't mind if you call me Mongoose, it's chill).
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres I create: Character-focused Fantasy, Action and sometimes Soft Sci-Fi.
Plans: I'm making comics again after a break, though I have done professional work as a comic artist in the past, and as a Games Artist and Illustrator until very recently. Now I'm trying to build an audience and create an interesting ongoing series, I'm hoping to monetise Errant when I finish the prologue and start the story proper in a few updates, probably through Patreon. In the future I'll probably Kickstarter a print run to sell at MCM and stuff.
Tapas profile: https://tapas.io/darthmongoose

Preferred Name: Coda
Pronouns: She/Her.
Genres you create: Romance, Action, Fantasy, SciFi...All with a dose of HORROR!!!!
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Oh man, I would love to have my work published and hold it in my hands like hardcover. Or even do Light Novel Serialization...For now, I am hoping to build an audience on Tapas and promote through other social media stuff.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/codemonkeyarts

Preferred Name: Indigo Child
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres you create: Fantasy, Bl's Romance ( Fantasy)Hmmm i just a hugeeee fan of Bl and there wasn't a lot of the kind i liked so just wanted to created my own :joy: that's how i started drawing two years ago now .
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/himenoririn

Preferred Name: Rhonder (username) / Alex (real name)
Pronouns: He / Him
Genres you create: Fantasy, Action
Where you plan to take your writing journey:Short Term - Just continue to improve my craft- both the art and writing sides need a lot of work yet lol. Medium Term - I would like to dip my toes into self publishing and attempt to monetize my work a little bit. My specific goal for this is currently to get some work formatted for print this year and try out tabling at local conventions next year! Also maybe try to actually start populating my patreon/ko-fi with content lol. Long Term- I guess my "end game" is more or less building a large readership/presence as an author. To have lots of people enjoying and invested in my stories would be the best!
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/Rhonder

Preferred Name: Em
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres you create: Romance (with MM/MF pairings most of the time), subgenres: Contemporary, Historical
Where you plan to take your writing journey: At this point, I just want to write as many as I can and see where that takes me. I've only started writing fiction seriously 2 years ago and had to study from scratch so I consider myself a newbie.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/At12MN

Preferred Name: ar.ninetysix just to keep things simple
Pronouns: He/Him but They/Them is fine with me too
Genres you create: Action, Drama, Urban Fantasy (and trying Romance and Comedy)
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Honestly, I'm not sure. I just wanted to try it out. I'm more of a musician and composer, but in the past few years, I've been interested in coming up with stories. That's how I wound up here lol I'm not bold enough to assume I can make this a career, but hey, if that's the way it goes...
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/ar-ninetysix (but I don't have anything there lol)

Preferred Name: Dani
Pronouns: They/Them, He/Him
Genres you create: Psychological drama for now (not sure if you would consider character study a genre), possibly cosmic horror, sci-fi and fantasy in the future.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Finishing my comic and self-publishing.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/Bloomer

Preferred name: Chita
Pronouns: she/her
Genres you create: Fantasy/Romance
Where you want to take your writing journey: right now I'm taking it easy as a hobbie and posting my comic just on Tapas. I'd love to build a fanbase (even if it's small) and maybe one day sell a few printed copies at small local cons.
Link to Tapas Account: https://m.tapas.io/Chita

Name: Cal
Pronouns: she/her
Genres: fantasy, horror, paranormal, romance, western
Writing journey: I honestly have no idea right now
Link to account: https://tapas.io/calblackwriter

Preferred Name: Ivan (pen name)
Pronouns: He / Him (I'm female but chose a male pen name for marketing reasons. So it would be weird to call she/her with that pen name :stuck_out_tongue: )
Genres you create: Action, Scifi, Mystery, Drama (Romance as subplot)Where you plan to take your writing journey: Would love to have my novels published! But a more achievable goal is to gain more readers and earn a little side money. :wink:
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/ivanskilling

Preferred Name: Nau / Nau Koko
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres you create: Romance, Drama
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Well I started my comic because I really wanted to see the story drawn out personally...And I wanted to try drawing comics as the thought has been on my mind for years, I just could never make the jump to it from 'just' illustrating. Something that really pushed me to start this year was reading akiko hiashimura's autobiographical manga Kakukaku Shikajika.I don't have any lofty goals with it at the moment, I'd just be really happy to complete it. ^^
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/naukoko14

Preferred Name: D
Pronouns: He
Genres you create: Fantasy, Action.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Trying to take this writing thing somewhat seriously and draw attention to myself a bit more.
LInk to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/darkone4587

Preferred Name: Anne or Jiji
Pronouns: she/her
Genres you create: It's a mixed bag-- I think it falls under regular fantasy. Maybe bits of psychological (?) if deconstructing and cynicism counts. Maybe romance too but not the focus.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: I don't really have big plans about it except that I just want to finish something;; It would be nice to earn a following to interact with your characters but I think that's the most I can only wish for- I'll create as long as I'm still in love with creating. Comics for me would be one way to bring about their journey in a more comprehensive way bc writing in details isn't my strong suit. It'll remain a hobby in the end;;
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/anne-ziel Cleared up my library recently so there's nothing much to see//

Preferred Name: Makayla
Pronouns: She / Her
Genres you create: Fantasy and Paranormal romances. My tag line is “romance that bites”!
Where you plan to take your writing journey: I want a combination career of writing serial fiction and traditional publishing.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/makaylasophia

Preferred Name: Sera (full pen name is Sera Swati)
Pronouns: she/her; also ok with they/them
Genres you create: Fantasy, Romance, Boy's Love, Action, Thriller(? Here's hoping), and in the future Horror and more.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: So far, I've studied Screenwriting in order to have right scripts for my comics. I also have this itch for prose so I'm filling up pages of background information for a novella curently. Otherwise I just want to survive my time as an art assistant and assistant editor for four Tapas premium comics (two are uploading now : The Beginning After the End and Magical Boy.) I want to be prolific (I'm talking Stephen King prolific) cause I have too many stories to tell. So the plan is to study storycraft and writing, and just keep telling stories.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/SeraphicMayin

Preferred Name: LDJ or PridePronouns: He/HimGenres you create: Fantasy, Adventure/Action, Science FictionWhere you plan to take your writing journey: Traditional/Self Publishing, Online SerialisationLink to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/ldjones

Preferred name: Dragon or Nate
Prounouns: Galactic Overlord of Terror, or Him\he is fine I guess...xD
Genres I Create: Sci-fantasy, Action, Fighting, Comedy, and a depressing office comedy Slice of Life.Where do I want to take my writing? I'd love to have my flagship series Dragon Sparking become an animated series. Being able to write and draw it full time while getting paid would also be nice.

Link to my tapas profile: https://m.tapas.io/friendlypirahna

Preferred Name: Abel / Isa

Pronouns: She/her

Genres you create: Drama / Fantasy - Kinda, there's magic / Romance, as a subplot. I'm just here for the characters' journey tbh x'D

Where you plan to take your writing journey: I can't see myself making art for a living for now (I have a lot to learn yet and, for now, I just can't picture myself managing to do it, even tho it would be amazing), so atm my plan is to finish my comic, print it so at least I and some friends can have it, enjoy the journey as much as I can and learn a lot. I'd love to try applying to some comic magazines with short stories, but we'll see about that.

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/AbelDraws1

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Kicking us off with the first discussion topic for 2.0!

pinned May 25, '20

I'll copy-paste my introduction and answer the question!
Preferred Name: Jenny

Pronouns: She/Her/Hers

Genres you create: Cosmic Horror Romance, Horror, Crime/Thriller

Where you plan to take your writing journey: Welp, right now I've got a list of comics I want to finish in my life-time. There are 42 comics right now, many of them short form. I got my work cut out for me, but I know it's feasible. Actually gonna start on 4 of those short comics for the Webtoons Contest.

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/Jenny-Toons

I like telling Corny Jokes, tiny animals, and delish foods. I also love me some good story-telling and horror, so expect a bit of that from little ole me.

Been making comics since I was 12, but been online since 2015, so I've come pretty far. I can also chime in on what it's like to have a STEM-based career choice but doing comics as well.


For me, numbers are people. These are the people who liked my comics, who've commented on my comics, and who saw my comics in a passing glance. When I think of numbers as people, it carries more weight. I realize that hey -- a lot of people care about what I do, but a lot of people also live their lives and understand that I'm human too.

Numbers are very nice to look at, but the weight of seeing them as people, and seeing comments about my stories and theories and questions carries more weight for me. Right now, I'm sitting around 8.5k subs on Webtoons (combining all five of my comics). And I'm cool with that. It would be nice to have 100k or something, but I don't lose my mind over it. I'm just happy to see as many people as I do now reading my work and enjoying it (whether they comment or not).

Kinda shows me that there are plenty of people who like the stories I like, which gives me a good sense of community.

I think the unhealthy part of most people worrying about numbers is just thinking of stats as numbers. Like...disregarding bots and alt accounts -- there are real people with real lives who read my work. Why should I only see them as numbers? It does't sound...nice, you know? It makes me beg the questions "do the people who keep farming for subs actually want to engage with their audience? Or do they just want the big shiny number to look at?"

@ratique Thank you for pinning the thread!

This is such a good way of looking at it! You're outlook is actually one that we should all remember.

Thanks! I think it's easy to not see the weight of the number when you're only seeing said number on a screen. It's pretty tiny on a screen. But 8.5k people? That's a stadium! And you're on the field, being observed. When you put it in that perspective, it's pretty awesome.

Even 250 or 100 subs is awesome. That's an auditorium! And you're on stage preforming. All of these people are watching. And whether or not they're actively commenting (clapping) doesn't really change that (at least to me). Cuz like, in real life, you're gonna get people who don't clap at events. Doesn't mean they didn't like it. :blush:

Preferred Name: Blaire Hawthorne
Pronouns: he/him
Genres you create: Horror and Fantasy with LGBTQ+ characters.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: To a point where I can reasonably live off with it. I don't really have a plan. I just write LOL
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/vblairehawthorne1

I like cheese.

Numbers

The anime Bakuman once went in-depth about the topic of having "two types of authors." There, a character said that an author may either be one of the following types: The kind of person who does whatever they want and the type of person who calculates the current meta to make their work even more popular.

I think I'm more in line with the first part wherein I would literally not care about other things as long as I'm writing the things I like. If I want to write it, I would do it, and I would feel happy right away.

However, I would be a hypocrite if I say that numbers never affected me. I would be jealous of those above me, and I would often feel like I am a failure and that I am not good enough when the numbers I produce aren't on par compared to the people around me.

Numbers is a frightening thing, and I am never once a fond friend of it. Heck, I failed most of my math classes! Numbers to me is a necessary evil because people will not bat an eye on you unless you have good enough numbers, but it just kept going on and on and on. It promotes a sense of "grind." If you're at the bottom, it makes you feel sick of not being good enough; if you're at the top, it will stress you up because it makes you want to keep pumping those chapters up to remain at the top. High numbers are never good enough and low numbers will make you feel weak,

The best way that I found in dealing with the negatives of seeing numbers is just to never let it be the goal. Don't let it consume you Write what you want, do what you want, and make what you want. If you think you're not good enough in a numerical sense, that's fine! Some stories grow fast while some take their sweet time. But your work will still touch the soul of someone out there because you did it with joy in mind, not numbers. What I learned in my years of writing online fiction is that numbers mean nothing. Engagement does. If you have a million reads, a million likes, and/or a million subscribers but only a very, very small fraction of them interacting with you, then the numbers mean nothing. In contrast, a book with conventionally low numbers but had an amazing engagement is far better.

What I'm trying to say is that numbers will eat you up unless you have readers out there that will make you feel better. Rushing to get a lot of numbers will make you feel proud, but having an audience that loves and support you and your work will make you feel happy. And "happy" is the goal.

Preferred Name: Hodge
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres: Fantasy, Action, Romance, BL
Writing Journey: hmmm I suppose I want to create the best comics I can, and also eventually build an audience, money, that sort of thing.

On the topic of numbers, I sort of actively avoid them haha. I felt like they were getting in the way of improving my craft, so I try to just ignore that sort of thing if possible. It tends to just suck away time and get in the way of the creative process.

Oh but I do appreciate the actual people behind numbers, especially since that number is rather low and are often the same people. I hope that even if my number goes up this doesn't change.

  1. I do get some validation from numbers. I like to know the number of people who enjoy my writing and my artwork. It means that there is an audience and that there are people who like seeing what I do and how I improve. I guess it's a visual way of reminding myself that I am liked.

  2. Both. I get joy from seeing an increase of subs, likes, followers. However it is a very easy source of frustration; unfortunately, numbers seem objective, and thus there is a natural tendency to compare or measure myself against someone else, whether fairly or unfairly. As much as I try to consider other factors (I haven't been on social media that long, I stopped drawing for a long time, this series has been around forever so of course it has bajillion likes...) the numbers are just so black and white and super hard to ignore. Humans beings tend to remember the negative, even if there is a POSITIVE spin (oh damn, my story that has been out for a year has a lot of likes, weee VS Aww damn, my story only has these many likes versus this one, I suck).

  3. It really depends. I choose to care about the stats because it helps me think about what I need to improve, which idea/pitch has a better interest, etc. However, I can also afford not to care because I have my other career and family aspirations. Other folks don't have it that easy and NEED a certain number in order to make a living out of their passion. So I understand that the hustle is a struggle. For me, I'm okay waffling between "Oh yeah this is a good number" and "Ugh lemme me promote this more cause it's not getting exposure". Others...not so much.

I've just realised that I have like 17k or something and now I have performance anxiety....

Truth.

For real. I have numbers and engagement can be pretty poor. Sometimes, I think the higher your engagement gets, the less people realise how much a comment to say "hey I really liked this!" means.

I wish I had this mindset.

My life in a sentence.

Yes! No matter who you are, how long you've been here, and how big you've gotten, seeing people genuinely loving your work and expressing them on the comments will still always be a cause for celebration. Validation comes best from the words of our readers. Not numbers. Numbers are like crack.

Ah it's back. Great! One note, if no one remembers, I no longer use the Dragonsparking account name, so no more Dragon. Just Nate will do xD

Anyways on topic. Numbers?

• Just a way to catalogue my progress with fans. I don't have any strong feelings about the numbers themselves.

• Overall, thinking about the numbers comes with a huge dose of apathy. Though when I receive a new sub that makes me happy.

•Sure, there has to be some balance, otherwise getting consumed by the drive to let those numbers define your art. Or, if you care too little, then you might lose interest entirely and leave those who are counting on your art for entertainment in the lurch.

Here’s what I put last thread with a few edits!

Preferred Name: Spade

Pronouns: She/her

Genres: Currently I’m working on a Supernatural Mystery and A comedy Fantasy (but almost everything I do is normal mid-high fantasy)

Plans: I just want to make lots of comics and improve in art! I literally just hit my one year anniversary for working in comics in any capacity outside of thinking about doing them so I’m pretty new to this ahahahaaaaaaaa. I have never really written like....a novel or anything before but I really want to try to get into it but don’t especially know where to start! I have one thing I’m thinking of doing as a novel but I’m still working on the story idea..?

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/spadedigsbutts
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While I know numbers are important and stuff and getting high ones is satisfying, I tend to not take them super seriously? For me they’re just sort of just a gauge of if I’m generally doing okay. Like if I get a subscriber or two a month I’m just like “well someone is enjoying it in some way!” And I must be doing something right (or really Really hilariously wrong!). I’ve always had a very “someone is always better, someone is always worse” Perspective, so to me a number really is just a number, though I do appreciate those who did take the time to give me said number! (Comments> numbers)

Preferred Name: Silver (I've been called that because of my username SilverLugia456)

Pronouns: She/Her

Genres you create: Mystery, Adventure, Action, Suspense,

Where you plan to take your writing journey:I would like to write Flash Fiction pieces (I've written a few so far but nothing published), I also like to work on scripts for movies and/or shows, short novels / light novels, and also teach as a teacher for English or creative writing.

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/SilverLugia456

A little about myself, so I have written in many different formats while learning about creative writing for the entertainment industry. So I have narrowed it down to writing light or short novels, scripts for animation, and flash fiction pieces since I have fun writing those pieces.I do have a goal hoping that my Pirate's Chronicles novel reaches 100 subbers I'm almost to 50 so I'm halfway there ^_^

Onto the topic of Numbers

  • What numbers mean to me are setting goals, knowing limits and also testing myself to see how much i can change my writing based on certain limits. I've experience this a lot especially when it comes to how different forms of writing may have different number limits, whether those number limits are for characters used or for the number of words used. I have written short flash fiction pieces that needed to be between 300 - 500 words, regular flash fiction pieces about 1000 words, and other pieces that may be longer. I also set personal goals for myself especially when I'm on tapas that my word limit per chapter falls between certain set number values to keep the chapters a bit consistent. Due to my experience I always seem to keep the number amount in mind when it comes to my writing. I find my eyes always travel down to the count just to make sure that I keep track of it.

  • Thinking about numbers could bring me either joy or frustration depending on the situation. When I'm limited to writing a full piece that has to be 500 words or less there may be some frustration because for me sometimes I find myself wanting to write more but knowing that if i do I need to cut down a lot of what I write. I've found myself a bit stumped or annoyed at times because no matter how I try to fit a story within those smaller word limits the story never really seemed complete.
    On the other hand I also look at the positive side of having those number limits for myself because it helps me to write more condense and precise details that really bring out the elements in my story. For the longest time when I was in college learning creative writing I would always find myself writing too many words that basically I didn't need. There were details that just went on and those extra words took away from my stories. However over time when I had to write flash fiction pieces or other writing prompts where the words were limited I got to work on that. I learned that I can use just one word or a small phrase of words that will make a bigger impact of a scene I want to convey to the reader instead of two complete sentences that say the same thing in redundancy.

  • I'm one that doesn't really focus a lot on book stats because I become more focused on the story. Though I'm not entirely sure about focusing on those stats, I believe there is a healthy balance for it but maybe it may be difficult to obtain that balance. It could affect one negatively or positively depending on how the individual views those numbers. If the numbers are viewed in a negative light then it could become more of a bad weight on someone's shoulders, however if someone views the stats in a positive light it becomes a driving force that helps them with their motivation. I think the balance might be where numbers or stats could be viewed both ways but when it is there is a more positive outlook for those stats or numbers.

It was fun answering these questions and I like the idea of this thread as well. ^_^

Hello again!

  • Numbers are people that didn't just keep on scrolling, and actually gave it a try, even if they're not going to stay. I get a lot of validation, mostly self inflicted;;
  • Some frustration, and joy when it's unexpected, plus some bad self esteem if it's low in an episode day, and I might get too bummed out looking at them.
  • There is, though it's a constant fight against 'you're not doing as good as your peers'. Comparison is inevitable even if it's misleading and rarely helpful.

Hehehe, that's kinda way I'm definitely ok with where I am right now. I'm more of an introverted person, so while I enjoy speaking with people and answering questions, I don't think I'm fully ready to get 100+ comments for an update (if I get to that stage). Which is perfectly fine for me!

And I always think that's another interesting thing to think about. While we may want a lot of subs and comments on our works, are we truly ever ready to deal with such a large audience? I feel that's just as overwhelming as having a smaller audience.

(Copy-pasting from before!)

Preferred Name: Ivan (pen name)
Pronouns: He / Him (I'm female but chose a male pen name for marketing reasons. So it would be weird to call she/her with that pen name :stuck_out_tongue: )
Genres you create: Action, Scifi, Mystery, Drama (Romance as subplot)
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Would love to have my novels published! But a more achievable goal is to gain more readers and earn a little side money. :wink:
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/ivanskilling

  • I agree with what @Jenny-Toons said about what numbers represent! It makes me happy to see that my novels have at least been seen by a growing number of people. :wink:

  • Most of the time, numbers bring me joy. To me, any subscriber, like, comment gained is always good. Each time, I reach a new goal, I strive for the next number goal. I personally love thinking about how to increase visibility and reach of my novels! Frustration is bound to happen sometimes if I see another story get high numbers without having actual good content (e.g., 50 shades of grey :stuck_out_tongue: ). But the frustration passes.

  • I think the balance is struck if book stats is only one of your goals and source of motivation. The main motivation/goal should be more about being satisfied with what you've created and to feel pride in it. Seeing other people comment and enjoy your works, even if it's only one, is also more important.

Preferred Name: Ratscout
Pronouns: She/her
Genres you create: Fantasy, romance, surprisingly horror.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Honestly, I'd really just like more engagement with my stories. It's a simple and hopefully achievable goal. I'd also like to help bring hidden gems to the attention of staff on Tapas because I feel like other unknowns are my kindred. XD Traditional publishing is the American dream, but I ain't getting there any time soon.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/ratscout

I dunno, it's not so much the numbers that mean a lot to me, it's more the interaction that matters to me. On some days, I feel pretty disheartened when I realized I've written 140 chapters of my story and then I look on the front page and I realize a story with only 20 chapters has like, triple the likes and comments that mine has. It kind of automatically makes me feel like... I'm not a good writer? Haha. But it also somehow makes me more tenacious, like, "That's it, the fact that I got no interaction after putting that chapter up just makes me want to upload another as soon as possible".XD I guess I would say I do get a lot of validation from comments/likes, but continuing my story isn't contingent on getting them. I will say on day that I'm feeling really blue about my... Small numbers, even just one comment can cheer me up. I really just wish more people would comment/like.

Lately, numbers have been a great source of frustration for me. I dunno what it was about that Tapas update, but I swear it seems to have killed the visibility of my novel even more. XD I'm sure it'll fade pretty quickly though and I'll go back to not caring about numbers again soon though (that's another weird thing about me. On someday I care about them and on others I don't).

I do think there's a healthy balance about caring/not caring about stats. On the one hand, that desire to build an audience and gain that interaction I so sorely want makes me want to keep at it and keep up the pace of writing my novel more than anything. On the other hand, on some days, it really does make me feel blue that so few people take an interest in my story that it can stall progress. If I could keep my tenacity and shoo away my blues, that would be the best balance.

The darned Corona Virus doesn't help. It gives me way too much time to think about stats. XD I just want to go back to physical work so I can get my validation from there instead LOL. Working remotely is... Not nearly as validating.

Re-joining the gang.

Preferred Name: Jens Richard
Pronouns: He/Him/They/Them/Blue
Genres you create: Comedy but try to do some serious stuff too.
Most known for ”Blue Life” and ”The Last BL Comic”

Where you plan to take your writing journey:
The become the ones that Tapas is interviewing.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/jensrichard77

Numbers are important to me. They are the reflection from the readers.
What do they like.

In the beginning I was not that impressed by simple page counts, but the numbers where users have taken an action in giving a like or a comment.

My ”The Last BL Comic” has (in my standard) big numbers in page views and subs. But not that much in likes and comments contra ”Blue Life” where there are lesser subscribers but a lot of likes and interactions from the readers.

I feel more about my work that gives more interaction and I feel more connected and have more fun with Blue Life. But as my Boy Love kind of speaks another language in numbers I feel more responsible to continue the work. Not because the user is giving comments or feedback directly, but because the silent numbers tell me that there are people reading this and more and more keeps coming for some strange reason.
I must have done something right and must continue.

I'll just copy/paste most if the intro from the previous thread.

Preferred Name: Dani or Copper

Pronouns: They/Them, He/Him

Genres you create: Psychological drama, slice-of-life

Where you plan to take your writing journey: Finishing my comic and self-publishing for now. After a break I'll probably start on some much larger fantasy, horror and sci-fi projects I've had on the back burner.

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/Bloomer

Uuuh I like horror movies, medical and earth science, Psychology, animals, food and drawing.
Only been working in comics since 2009, but didn't get hardcore into it until I started my current project in 2015-2016.


  • Numbers don't really mean much of anything to me, but I don't really see them as numbers so much as just people checking out and/or enjoying my comic. I admit to sometimes getting a little sad when a page doesn't do so well with views and interaction, but it's not the end of the world. Many of my readers view my comic in 5-2 page bulks so there will be update days when TGtaHR won't get much action.
    Sub wise, I'm just surprised I even have subs, I was expecting dead air. My comic is soooo not most people's cup of tea, so the fact that there are people wanting to suffer through my character suffering is nothing short of amazing.

  • I kinda already answered this one. While I do get sad about a page not doing well sometimes, overall numbers don't make me feel much of anything. You kinda have to not care, people are ever change, evolving and growing. Even if they liked your work at one point that doesn't mean they always will, and while it's super awesome when someone sticks with your story from beginning to end, there's nothing wrong with them moving on.
    In short, it doesn't make me feel either or since losing and gaining readers is a natural part of the webcomic process.

  • Yeah, I guess so. To me stats only really matter if you're trying to make a living off your work, it's totally understandable to care about getting ad revenue from views or income from sales. Although you shouldn't let it take over your life, if you start obsessing your passion may start turning into an obligation.
    If you're not planning on making money off your work then numbers are kind of meaningless, they don't really get you anything other than possible validation, which I find meaningful interaction to be much more valuable than a sub or view count in that case. Although at the same time if you are striving to improve and do your best, if you're not working on a super niche story, consistently low numbers might mean there are things you do better?

So I guess a good balance is to care enough to be proactive if your goal is for your story to be productive, but not so much it runs your life. People are all different, some come and go, some stay, other may be disinterested entirely. You can't really control that, so there's not much point on being super focused on the numbers.

Preferred Name: Anne or Jiji
Pronouns: she/her
Genres you create: It's a mixed bag-- I think it falls under regular fantasy mostly. Atleast i aim to- maybe romance as well.
Where you plan to take your writing journey: Nothing much, I just wish to be able to overcome my fears and anxiety in posting overall. I'd say it would be a big leap for me already if I managed to publish a comic and complete it online, regardless of how it could be received.
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/anne-ziel1

1.) I feel like I can feel validated by numbers since they're also partly a reason why I try and post own or created content. To share it with others. I'm not a v engaging person so they make me feel better or atleast make it feel like it was worth posting in a sense. Sometimes I get happy about getting a lot since its a nice surprise and other times I'm a bit indifferent.

2.) it brings me both haha;; I try not to let it frustrate me that much though I must confess I find it hard to not be a little disappointed when something gets lower traction/attention than usual so it badly affected me in handling art accounts offsite.

Might reword later for grammar and edit.

Name: Joanne
Pronouns: she/her also cool with they/them
Genres: Drama, Romance. subgenres: supernatural, historical fantasy, contemporary
Plans: Ideally I would want to start self-publishing if querying with traditional publishers don't work out.
Link: https://tapas.io/dashalutris

Numbers spark joy for me, it equates to people actually seeing what I've created. So I do hold them in a solid regard.

The only frustration numbers bring me is when I'm not seeing enough of them. Like if I put out an illustration that I'm proud of but it only gets 3 likes on twitter lol.
On the other end, I don't think I'd ever get performance anxiety if my numbers explode. I'd just be like 'holy shit' and keep truckin' on.

I think there is a healthy balance of caring about numbers, especially if your goal IS to grow your audience. If you're stagnating or on a decline, it may be time to reevaluate what you're doing and see if you can't strategize a new way of marketing or examine your work itself. BUT I can't worry over numbers TOO much lest I just crumple after seeing how well others are doing on so and so sites, so I have to stay in my own lane in that regard and just have faith in my work and remember to love what I'm putting forth into the world.

Preferred Name: Kaixn
Pronouns: Any is cool! (I like the anonymity of not sharing my gender online : D )
Genres you create: Comedy
Where you plan to take your writing journey: I really want to create webcomics that make people laugh and make them happy! (I know that's corny, but I love reading webcomics so much, they really brighten up my day, so I would like to pass it on)
Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/Kaixn

I think I 100% receive validation from numbers haha. I really want people to like my stuff, and to get feedback from others, and numbers is a part of that. But I don't have much followers at all, I'm doing my best to promote myself and stuff, but it's really hard! I give a lot of props to creators who are good at marketing themselves.

Currently frustration, because I have 5 subscribes and have been posting for a month. I'm thinking I might have to start a new story, or do a rewrite of my comic, because I'm thinking it isn't really connecting with people, and that's really important to me! ^^ At the same time I am working on not caring so much!

Yeah I totally think there is a balance. I think you liking your own work is most important. And if there is something you really truly want to do in your heart then I think you should go for it! Try and increase your numbers, but don't let it negatively effect you, I guess?

Yay! Bitesize is back!

Seems like my Bio is already there so let's just jump in!

  • To me, for better or worse, numbers represent hard evidence that my work is a viable product. Maybe it's because my day jobs for the past few years have generally involved monitoring the analytics from a creative product (ie. a games and books) and agonising over KPIs (Key Performance Indicators: Basically a solid number of something like units sold or a percentage of clicks on an ad that your aiming for) with weekly data meetings. I've been trained to think of the numbers the same way. I have other achievements from my time in print comics, like my work is actually in print, I've done a book signing in a Forbidden Planet, which I doubt a lot of other people on the site have achieved... but that doesn't matter on Tapas. Only the numbers matter. If I want to pitch a Tapas premium, I need 2000 bookmarks; it's both fair and unfair in its own way.

  • Eghhhhh... it's a mixture. I like seeing my number go up, but since the genres aren't equal in terms of effort or quality to performance, it can be a big source of frustration too. Sometimes it's hard not to think, "what the hell!? I'm a published creator, I've placed in national competitions, I've had my work praised by legends of the comics world and I can't get a few bookmarks on this one little platform!?" But... Well, that doesn't help me get anywhere. The numbers are what they are and I should use them as a positive tool and look at where I've had a good response and how I could build on that rather than dwelling on what I don't have.

  • Yes, I think there can be. I definitely advise against trying to artificially push your number up just to see it go up with sub-for-sub, which not only has very little impact on your work's growth or visibility, leading to the number going up with no correlating audience engagement and an ultimately empty feeling. I think that it's worth playing the long game sometimes. The work you're doing now might not actually be "The big one", even if you thought it was your magnum opus, so treat it as a learning and data-gathering experience. Pay attention to what does make your numbers go up, but keep a mindset of "well, there's always next time!" and "That was not the result I expected, I'm going to apply this knowledge elsewhere". Even the top pros make works they really care about and fail to get the response they wanted.

Reading through replies, I can see that people have a nuanced relationship with the numbers attached to their work. Feelings of pride, imposter syndrome, inadequacy, joy- a whole spectrum of human emotion there.

I guess a follow up question would be this:

If you woke up tomorrow, and Tapas no longer displayed the numbers of views, likes, subs etc., do you think this would be good or bad?

In this hypothetical you still will get notifications for people doing these things, you’ll still be able to see trends up or down - but without hard number metrics attached.

That's an interesting question! :smiley:

Hmm that's sort of similar to the numbers shown on our dashboard in terms of the trends. Personally, it just means I would code up my own script to calculate the numbers myself. :joy:

I like to understand my numbers - is the influx due to something I did via advertisement, if so what is it so I can repeat it? Or is the downward trend because of exams month or something I posted? When my novels gets on Staff Picks, how much is the rise in numbers? What should be my goal for numbers by the time I reach the middle of my novel? To me, all of that is fun and important. :wink:

It's hard to say because the bookmark numbers are so hard-coded into unlocking things on the site right now (100 to unlock ads, 250 to unlock ink, 2000 to pitch for Premium). You even get a little bar tracking your progress on your dashboard until you reach 250.
I think the numbers being removed might have a positive impact on happiness for some people, particularly those who would be perfectly happy just making stuff as a hobby if they didn't have the numbers hanging over them putting an unwanted numerical value on their performance at something they would just be doing for fun if it wasn't there.

BUT for people aiming to use the platform in a more professional capacity, the lack of transparency from having those hard numbers, I think would feel very frustrating. It would be hard to track performance of particular themes, update times or days and exactly what the impact might be of trending, getting a staff pick etc. The worst case scenario would be creators feeling like the staff are deliberately fiddling with the rankings to keep certain comics or creators down and boost others, creating a sense of unfairness.

Honestly if the system didn't unlock per-page numbers and analytics until you're over 100 or maybe even 250 subs, I think that would potentially be fine. I don't think having exact numbers below that is incredibly useful because you don't have a large enough reader-base to really track trends and differentiate them from random blips anyway. Plus if your comic can't get up to 250, it probably means you should be focusing on improving big things like the general audience appeal, readability and presentation of your story, not getting distracted obsessing over small numerical changes. Kinda like when Bruce Lee said "It's like a finger pointing at the moon. Don't focus on the finger, or you'll miss all the heavenly beauty."

Lil’ backstory.

Preferred name: You can Call me Harelow/Harlow but I love it when people call N (but barely anybody does.)
Pronouns: She/Her
Genres I create: I make a lot of fantasy stories and all of them(minus two) are in the same universe (I got too attached to it.)

Where I plan to take my writing job: My friend and I are planning on working together and create comic books together (I draw and she writes) but I’m not so sure about it. Yeah I’m passionate about art but I love writing (even if I suck at it.) So I’ll probably find a way to mix both ideas together.

Link to Tapas account: https://m.tapas.io/noros0617 Please ignore how outdated the profile picture. It really is disgraceful.


I personally don’t care for the numbers. Like they’re just the amount of people reading (My story with the most is like 70 which is a lot in my mind [enough for a decent party]) And I don’t understand what you mean by “validation.”

Thinking about the numbers make me compare how different getting popularity here is from getting it on Wattpad. For me, I got sort of “overnight fame” at 100-200 reads (I couldn’t believe it either and yes, I believe that could be considered fame as it was a god awful story) and that what motivated me I guess. Nowadays I don’t write unless I feel like it.

The healthiest way to deal with numbers and stats is to not care. Nobody will care as much about your world and your characters as much as you do. I had to learn that the hard way.

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk

I think it would probably ease my mind a lot because the red numbers they show for view count per day just bothers me a ton lol And even though I dont super care about numbers, I tend to do the mindless “refresh page to see if stats changed” thing a lot to procrastinate doing actual work :sweat_smile: So if they vanished, I’d probably just be way more productive and would still have my favorite thing, the comments, left!

That would be a game-changer. Because everything on the net is numbers. We are grown up with numbers and likes and share and stars and all that.

Even if you do not like it or do not care. You somehow expect it to be there. Because it is so built into the online culture.

Preferred Name: wnqs

Pronouns: She/her

Genres you create: Fantasy/romance

Where you plan to take your writing journey: I want to continue working on my current comic and have ideas for related comics in the future.

Link to Tapas Account: https://tapas.io/series/The-Cat-The-Vine-and-The-Victory

Numbers to me represent a shift in the way we all consume art. Comics are much more accessible to everyone than they were years ago worldwide. For me, every view is a person experiencing a much broader world of art, contributing to the growth of art and maybe even adding their own art to the collective.

I find the stats on my comic fascinating. The numbers at first glance seem really out of whack, but that’s because I have a lot of pages. I don’t feel validation in numbers as in numbers aren’t the driving force behind why I draw or post my comic.

Interaction between myself and my readers makes me feel joy rather than the number of people reading, if that makes sense. Knowing that there’s a core group of people that have been with me since the beginning (almost five years) is amazing.

I think the balance of caring or not caring about book stats really depends on why a creator publishes to begin with. If someone is looking to make a career out of making comics, then statistics are quite important. If you aren’t getting the numbers you think you should have to reach your goal, then you need to seriously look at why and figure out what needs changing/improving.

If a creator is like myself and doing it as a hobby, then stats are nice to have and interesting to look at, especially when the numbers are all over the place. I think it’s when someone who looks at stats and sees them as judging their self-worth that stats become a problem.

I...ohh boy. I would at last like to see some insights here and I also think if that is hidden somehow, I would either connect to the API and code something like @ivanskilling described, or...well...I can't help but think that Tapas would have to change a whole lot of their offers. How would I know to turn on ads? Is that automatic? What about ink? Premium? A lot of those processes are so tied to numbers that there would be have to a paradigm shift of some kind O.o

  • By gathering little bits of everything I see. Maybe I went to a cool city and the landscape stuck to my brain as I wanted a location in the comic, maybe I watched a movie and I wanted to apply its themes to something else and see what would change and if I'd like it as much as I did originally (cough Megamind), or I read a fanfic where they approached something that was forgotten about a character and I was inspired by fellow fans being concerned about it, and sometimes I imagine a scene to music though it's rarely put into a story. I've also got many ideas from dreams, though it doesn't apply to Splitting Image.
  • Thinking of how to tie the theme/setting to a scene, and seeing if it still matches with the original idea. Once the story feels more like itself, also seeing what's required to progress the plot and character development, and trying to reach into my mind and trying to remember anything cool about a subject (redeeming a character, a betrayal, a plan that goes awry,etc)
  • I hoard a lot but I only write down what I particularly like; or I'd have a long long list of dreams to put into art. In my opinion, anything can inspire, but I'm inspired by things that I haven't noticed lately in my routine and works that really seem to have a lot of heart in them.

It's really crazy how much I can get from dreams. I've dreamed of a bus station being destroyed by a fleet of floating wooden ships and the buses being hidden inside; a spacewoman haunted by four weird spirits with strange designs and might or might not be external versions of her emotions; a tribe of scavengers next to a giant purple HR Gieger looking forest where the animals have psychic powers; a cyberpunk town where neon attachments are made of literal magic and can be infected by viruses all the same; and a student waking up to a giant obsidian egg in the campus. Every time I think I could work on just this cool idea, a ton more show up, so wanting or not I end up hoarding.

Oh boy. I live for talking about this.

• Music. 95% of my ideas come from music. Metal music to be precise.
They live in the guitar riffs and solos, when that tasty lick hits, then I get a flash of an image. Then the lyrics develop the idea further. I listen to a lot of music, because that's where all of the ideas live.

•As I mentioned before, the idea is sparked by the music. Now...Dragon Sparking was in development hell for around 10 years, and I kept fumbling around due to life getting in the way. But the music kept me thinking about Dragon Sparking.
In particular I must shout out Dragonforce. Without that band, Rip as a character would not exist in the form he has now. Their music shaped his personality, fighting style, and appearance. Listening to their music was the place I could get full images of who Rip was. There was something about the guitars that brought him to life...and a buzzing sensation I'd get in the back of my head, just past the temples, that's when I knew the music had brought a character action to life.

Going even further in, the bands Iron Savior, Freedom Call, and Dark Moor all pushed those images further. Rip is a child born of Power Metal, and without it he wouldn't exist as he does now. Not only that, whenever I felt like quitting, their music brought me right back into creating the DS world.

Additionally I use musical sections to craft my fight scenes. I get strong mental images that show me the movements, facial expressions, and emotional outbursts.

One additional thing I use is Wikipedia mythology lists. I'll read down the list without clicking anything and just use the blurb to come up with ideas. While listening to music of course xD

•Idea hording...not really? I'm kind of a flash in a pan, where if I don't use the idea almost immediately, it's gone. At most I'll do a quick doodle to remember it, other than that, I just write in the moment into the comic. I don't often have ideas about anything else other than Dragon Sparking. If I do, it's assimilated into the DS Multiverse I plan on creating over time.

  • They tend to come to me the most when I'm listening to music (like sometimes there will be a cool lyric that I incorporate into the story), exercising, or when I see a cool idea that is presented in another work, but not explored.

  • I usually start with building out a character. I like to think of where the character is in their life, what kind of job do they have (if any), if they're introverted or extroverted, and what kind of character arc I want them to go through and I'll build the setting around that.

  • Somewhat? I don't write every single interesting idea I have down like some crazy people do, but I do keep the ones I really want to write hanging around in my head instead of flushing them. I still want to write this story I came up with awhile back about a robot soldier who was made to defend humanity and watched his fellow robot friends die in battle and then once he overcomes the threat, he has to live like... A normal life and work a normal job. XD Someday, I'll get to it.

  • Hmmm, music and videogames mostly. Sometimes a really good TV or movie. Any beautiful piece of artowrk, I guess.

Hmm I usually start with a character that I think is interesting, or a specific scene.

I don't know if its hording, but I do write them down cause sometimes if I'm struggling with a story, i can combine it with another idea to see if that makes it better. The more tools i have in my toolbox, the better.

Sources of inspirations are music, dreams, personal experiences, people around me, and other stories.

Basically this -- Give me a good song, and I'll find a way to visualize an entire music video for an idea. I've got plenty of artists and bands I go to when I need to flesh out an idea. The Beatles, Beach House, The Temptations, and MGMT are just some bands to name.

But even without music, my ideas just...come to me. I've created comics from short stories, small doodles, real life facts, even singular words. Hell, one of my current projects is based on the fact that butterflies also drink blood. All in all, if I like something enough, I'm able to create a full-fleshed story.

On that note -- yeah...I horde ideas. I've got plenty organized in folders. But right now, I'm trying to focus on 35 or so stories so that I'm not overloading myself. I've currently working on 5 stories so far, so I think I'm at a good point XD