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Jan 2019

Hi everyone!

Recently, I realized that my comic will be two years old as of this year.
The story itself is not super long but my update flow is not very consistent, or at least it wasn't when I started.
When I read my entire comic from the start again, I just had to cringe - I'm not really disappointed in these starting chapters/pages because I know I did my absolute best, but they just look really.. well, old.

Do you have any similar experience and if yes, how do you cope with that feeling?

I've seen a lot of people redrawing their entire comic! That's really impressive.
Still, sometimes I wonder if my old art blocks new readers from coming into the story.

Edit : I added some screenshots of my first and my latest page!

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It's been just over a year since I made my first pages as well, so I can really relate. But the best thing you can do is just keep them in mind and see them as your progress as you kept going!

Try and finish before you redraw any of the pages, or you could get stuck in an endless loop because you'll always be getting better :wink:

I definitely get that xD i was stuck in a redo loop for years with my previous comic, never made it past chapter 2.

One thing that I think warrants consideration is like... the early pages just have to be "good enough" to not repel readers, because It's understood the art will get better over time.

I took a quick look at the first update of your comic (assuming you're talking about "let's make tomorrow today" on your profile?) And I assure you the art is plenty "good enough" ^^ I'm sure it gets much better from there but it looks good/fine as is, imo.

It's a good question, and one I think about from time to time. I wouldn't ever go back and redraw my story, but when I started converting pages for mobile format, I used it as an opportunity to fix glaring mistakes. Eyes too far apart, weird proportional issues, things like that.

That said, I think a creator is FAR better served by making more story and continuing the narrative, then they are by going back and polishing older art. There's not really an end to that process, and I've seen people get stuck in never getting past the first scene by their perfectionism. Art styles evolve even when it's very talented professionals working on them, and it's not inherently jarring.

I recently went back and fixed some things in older chapters that I just couldn't get over, but luckily my comic is only 12 chapters in so it's not a big deal. I agree that there just comes a point when continuing the story is the best thing an artist can do to improve. Old work will never live up to the standard of your new work so there's no reason to waste time in trying to polish something old.

There's always that little voice in your head that nags you about art mistakes though!

my comic is about 2.5 years old now - heres the first page

and heres one of the latest:

learning curve, right? a lot of the art and writing in the early chapters makes me feel ashamed when i read it. i mainly cope with this by......... not reading it.

i also edited my story plan really intensely a few months ago so itll only take me til october to finish - and focused on making these final chapters the best i can do with the situation.

i also added a preview / disclaimer to the start of the comic explaining that the art was old, that they could skip to a summary of the first three chapters, and giving some little previews of my best panels from later chapters.

dont do this

its impressive in terms of dedication and perfectionism, but its just that - perfectionism. you need to allow things to be what they are, when you made them. people actually enjoy seeing your development through a project, and if your redraw takes as long as your draw, youll be back at square one hating your earlier pages once you get back to where you were. just finish it. then do something else

It's more important to keep making new pages than to re-do old pages. With long running projects there's always going to be something you're unhappy with when you look back.

I started my longest running comic in 2011 as a digitally colored comic before switching to watercolors in the second chapter. Both the digital and initial watercolored stuff looked bad. (Hell, there's still whole chapters I'd like to re-do) I managed to wait 3 years to re-do those pages and only let myself re-do up my kind "watercolor epiphany". XD

The main thing is, you need to set yourself a limit on how many pages your allowed to re-do and still prioritize new pages above anything else. With webcomics "finished but not perfect" is kind of the mantra you have to live by.

Edit:
And here's just my example of what I felt needed replacing. The switch in media I felt was a glaring change, the main reason for some redraws.
2011


2018

Haha yeah, the loop is really my main fear to happen if I ever would start to redraw it..

Also, thank you!

Wow, you really improved a lot during 2,5 years! And I agree completely concerning the redrawing. In 2 more years, I'll probably die of embarrassment seeing what I draw now.The idea is nice, but there are so many stories we all have, it's probably better to just let them be as they are.

totally - id be concerned if you didnt. it can be discouraging to think about, but the flipside is if youre proud of what youre doing now, you cant even imagine the quality of work youll be making in 2 years time. let the old pages be a testament to your rapid development.

yup! another issue with redrawing a whole story is that youll grow out of the story itself pretty soon - not just in terms of writing quality, but also in terms of your interests and maturity. if you were writing a YA fantasy complete with teen angst, by the time youre 20 youll be seeing the holes in the ideology. if you write a jaded anti-romance piece, then fall in love, you might have trouble relating to it anymore. you gotta go with the flow a lil bit

Kentaro Miura have drawn his manga "Berserk" for 30 years... you can compare his first chapter with the last one. :wink: Of course, the progress is impressive. But it is not bad, I'd rather say that it is cool to see, how he have learned to be the great manga artist through this long road. And I'm glad that he still continues the story instead of redrawing all this hundreds of tomes. :sweat_smile:
His example inspires me. And I think that this is very good example in general :blush:

so my comic is now over a yr old and the art has changed a lot since the first eps.

I mean I cringe too, but I also like how my comic is a visual representation of my art progression over time. So I say just embrace it.

That's exactly where I'm at as well! Especially with the thought that my art a year ago might make readers not want to read on.
I actually started redrawing some of my earlier episodes today! I'm lucky in that my webcomic is a slice-of-life comedy type so it's not that complex to redraw, compared to story-oriented webcomics.

Also I can see that you style is a lot different but you've got nothing to cringe about when it comes to your early pages there! I think they look good! Although I love the slick style you have now more. :slight_smile:

I just thought I would add that I was wanting to add updated versions of the earlier episodes, but keep the original ones as well for reference as part of the episode! Just cause I think it's fun to see the difference.

Again, my webcomic is episodic and short so it's easy for me to do so.

Thought I would include an example of a redraw I've been working on today:

Lol I was about to ask the same thing! I'm about to launch my comic soon after spending forever working on a buffer only to realize that the later pages/covers could curb stomp the initial ones. I'm just going to go ahead and upload them as is because if I keep going back and redoing old pages I'll never get anywhere (plus, time is not my friend).

Your first looks bad at all. I think it looks pretty good. I don't think new reader will have any trouble reading from the beginning.

I have the same issue, especially since I'm a perfectionist. since I don't want to go through all the trouble of remaking all of the old pages, I just think that people will see how far I've come if they read from the start to the finish, and that I can just work on improving in the future

My art is not 6 months old and I'm already at the stage where the first pages make me cringe :joy:

I really, really hate the first 3 pages, so these are going to be redrawn, but I'll stop there.

I think the real worry for me is discouraging new readers if the few first pages are significantly worse than the next ones. But it's difficult to assess that when we are the artist. It would be nice to have a thread just for that : having other artists/readers become sort of consultants to tell if the worse art at the beginning is off putting; if it's worth redrawing at least a few pages to give the readers and idea of what to expect later in the work. (I would start such a thread but I'm travelling, with limited internet access).

In your case, OP, I don't think there is any problem, your first page looks pretty good to me. .

This would actually be pretty interesting. Although I think most cases would find people agreeing the early pages are good enough as is, there may certainly be certain ones where having this sort of affirmation could be useful (Although personally the early art would have to be particularly bad before I recommended someone to go back lol. Such a time sink @u@)

Well, maybe not to affirm the art is so bad that it needs to be redone, but maybe to give an estimation of how worse it is compared to current art.
As a reader, when a comic has an interesting theme but the art is not that great, I generally look further in the comic to see if it improves and if it does (often it does), I don't mind too much the less good first chapters. But I don't know if other people do that.

Oh yeah, I mean it could be worded better but I'd imagine like 80%+ of comics, the opening art is by far good enough to bother continuing.

But if you open the first chapter and see this:

(* drew in a minute with a mouse)

and their new drawings look like this:

(*random panel from my comic)

Then I'd probably recommend doing a redraw of the beginning xD especially if it's the intro of a long form series where you have potentially hundreds of pages hiding behind the rocky start. Even if the style change was gradual over time, the early drawings may be poor enough to turn away potential new readers.