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  1. How do I ask questions that make people want to answer them and not deconstruct the concept that I asked? Like I once accidentally asked for an entire writing course when I only wanted feedback on one story thing.

  2. How do I make sure i’ve provided enough information from the beginning instead of later? Like just have every important detail written out from the beginning. How does everyone else just do it without question like this?

  3. How do I just ask a question and never once forget about it later? Like just say it and have the memory burned into my brain holes forever so I never once mention it again, the way a normal person does it.

  4. Unrelated but how do I react to advice in a way that makes it sound like i’m not looking for blind praise? Like I genuinely hate being blindly praised for my stuff, and always want to hear more about how people don’t like it and why.
    Someone once accused me of just wanting permission to write problematic tropes when I asked for advice related to them, even though I’d already gotten that from someone and rejected the premise that it could ever be okay for me to release what i’d written as it was, and then completely scrubbed the concept from my story. How do I make that rejection of validation actually translate into what I say and do?

  5. I read all the articles and watch all the videos i’m sent but i’m always accused of ignoring them. How do I give off the effect to other people that I used their advice? I actually combed through every topic I had ever used for advice I was sent just to make sure I hadn’t ignored anything, and for the vast majority of it I haven’t. How do I make it feel like I actually followed that writing advice?

  6. So how do I potentially justify the existence of a whole new character to a story? On one hand without them the protagonist is almost entirely silent, and we learn nothing about them, but with that character there, they end up serving no purpose at all, only being the reason why the protagonist is talking about things.

  7. Why do people get the sense that I haven’t actually made my comic?

  8. Should I post unfinished pages of my comic, or is it better to break schedule and just post it when it’s ready?

  9. I have this idea for there to be a thing in my story where some people secretly genetically engineer GBFs and stuff to be bought and used as a prop in someone else's like, as commentary on the narcissistic people who see minority friends as their quirky sidekicks. Is this a good concept, and is it a good idea if one of the main characters is one of these GBFs having been rescued from the facility?

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I feel like the answer to most of these questions is "stop asking so many questions".

That's the reason people feel like you're ignoring their advice, why they think you've not looked at the resources they linked, why they feel like you might be a troll and why they think you must just be fishing for compliments... Because you never seem to be satisfied with the advice you're given. No matter how much everyone agrees the advice you were given is solid, or how acclaimed the resources you're linked... you always come back asking for more, and it's often questions that either people already answered, or where the answer is to apply the ideas you should have learned from solving previous problems, or really digesting the past advice, to the new, fundamentally similar problem.

It stops feeling like you're a person making a story who wants guidance on specific points they're stuck on... and feels more like you're a person who is asking questions for the sake of asking questions out of a desire for attention. Then on top of that, because you often respond to somebody's answer with some variation of "no, but that doesn't work for me because [insert way in which your problem is _special_]", it tends to feel like you're trying to modify the question until somebody gives you the answer you want, rather than choosing to take the answer, apply independent critical thought to it, and see how you might apply the general idea to your specific problem.

And then when people start to say they think you're doing that, you shove like... one or two pretty simple pages you made in their face like "Look! Look! See! I made a page! I can't be trolling!" You don't get a parade for making two pages. A lot of us have been making two pages every single week for multiple years. It starts to feel like you want everyone to do the thinking on every slightly difficult thing, and you want people's attention and praise for every little bit of work, and you're asking this in a community of people who make work in a medium that requires a huge amount of dedication, hard work and independent problem-solving.

The vast majority of problems can be solved through some mixture of observing from life, studying the approach of a more experienced creator, experimentation or trial and error, and practice. Always apply those first, and also see if you can apply a solution to a problem you've solved before to any new problem first.

Go and look at how other people have done it, and try doing the thing first. Characters in short comics are pretty much always flat archetypes, because there isn't space for complexity, and the whole thing needs to be a simple concept. I've won national prizes for short comics where the characters were so simple they didn't even have names. It's a question that doesn't need answering, because I can't imagine showing somebody who likes and knows about short comics, a short comic with simple characters and them saying "The characters need to be more complex". It'd be an unrealistic demand, and show a total lack of understanding of how short comics work.

Have you considered printing these questions out and taking them to someone you trust? Someone who knows you in person? Because you seem to need answers to questions that pertain to you and your way of thinking specifically. As previously suggested a tutor would be more appropriate for your writing questions. And the other queries you have would be better addressed by family and friends. We do care and want to help, but these simply aren't things we can tackle as strangers on the Internet.

I agree with @darthmongoose. Sometimes you have to stop asking questions and start exploring. Like the thread you made about "writing like a TV show". I replied to it because I knew the struggle and wanted to help. After realizing my main series wasn't going to fit into the traditional novel mold, I decided that I wanted to write it as a TV show. I only know one professional TV writer and instead of pestering him to help me fix my work, I started learning for myself.

I paid attention to the different styles of television shows out there and how they compared and contrasted. I learned how to craft a smaller storyline while finding ways to tie it into a larger overarching arc. I learned timing, character development, etc. Serialized fiction is just NOW entering the conversation for web writers. I didn't have anyone to ask so dismissing my comments for not knowing your show influences felt like a slap in the face.

Questions aren't bad in of themselves but you have to learn how to phrase your questions specifically to your problem. We haven't read your stuff. We only know what you tell us, so vague questions will get those deconstructed replies that you didn't want.

Sorry, I keep forgetting that this is the kind of stuff I should have already explained in the initial question, and that bluntly telling people they’re wrong without context sounds rude.

Looking back on that thread it was very stupid. i’d written plenty of episodic stories at this point and didn’t need any actual advice on how to make one. There was no way that could have gone other than poorly.

Sorry for dragging you into all that.

Thank you for being willing to explain this stuff. I’ll remember this later.

I think the main issue is that you ask these long questions that sound like you are just rambling.

All your questions sound like this…

How do I write a character who has to be more than just the one that has a long story and they have to do something that doesn’t really need to?

Maybe ask less questions and shorter ones.

Tread Title: Tips for writing long stories

I am interested in writing a longer story but I am a bit overwhelmed. Does anyone have any tips?

Sorry, the problem is basically that I always describe things poorly.

Like when I made it sound like two complete strangers from my story were a couple. Or when I forgot to even explain what the stories conflict was about when asking how to modify the conflict. I explain things poorly and then I explain it again but also poorly and while accidentally giving off the sense that the person trying to help was the one in the wrong,

I didn’t realize it sounded like I thought of it like that. I was operating under the assumption that a troll would not actually make anything, which now that I think about it is not that true. Can the existence of my comic ever be proof against the idea that I was trolling people?

I actually asked this for a dumb reason, that being that I did this sort of experimentation before, but it was a long dumb process when I did, and assumed that somehow this process could take 7 years without someone helping, even though that was completely nonsensical.

So… is it acceptable for one of these flat characters to be a flat femme gay kid who is just sort of there, gay, and feminine? He’s the main reason I wanted to make the characters feel different and stuff. Is it possible to make this character feel more complicated? Like give off the sense that there is a complex inner life going on that we just aren’t seeing because it’s a short story?

Are these like bad questions?

I think clearly the specificity matters to you, and there may be a problem in the communication side of things.

A lot of the time, the threads are going a bit like:

You: "Is it okay to sit on a chair in this room?"
Person: "Yes, you can sit on a chair."
You: "Okay, but what if it's a green chair?"
Person: "Yes, I said you can sit on a chair, that includes green ones."
You: "Ah wait, sorry, I mis-spoke. I meant blue. Can I sit on blue chairs?"
Person: "Rrgh! I said you can sit on the chairs! Are you trolling me or something!?"

It's like that, but with storytelling or drawing. And it's quite possible that to you, it's reasonable to feel anxious about the specifics... but to other people, it feels like you're not putting thought into the general applicability of their broader advice. You ask if it's okay to have very simple characters in a short comic, and I say, yes, that's fine, then you ask "but is it okay if the character is an effeminate gay character?" because you're worried about being seen depicting a stereotype... but on my end, that's an uncomfortable question that feels like you're putting the responsibility for your decision to potentially do something problematic on me. It's also a very different question, because it's less about characters being simple and more about depicting cultural stereotypes.

If your decision hinges on "am I worried this will be problematic?" you really have limited choices:

  1. Change the character. If it doesn't affect the plot at all, then you can make any character anything, so if you're scared of upsetting people, make the character something else.
  2. Don't change it and trust that your audience will understand the intent behind your work, that you were maybe drawing from life experience and that you're doing your best to depict things sensitively. Chances are, if you are LGBTQ+ yourself, you don't plan to make an effeminate gay man to mock or to push stereotypes, but out of a genuine wish to show a character like that in an interesting scenario.

And if your follow-up question is "but what if the plot needs that character to be an effeminate gay man?" Then the choice simply becomes "should I tell this story, or change the story?" basically the same choice.

And no matter how many times you ask... those are the two options, and different people will tell you, often emphatically, to pick a different one. There's no gay council who can give you official permission to depict an effeminate gay man with assurance nobody will be offended. Somebody might be offended... but that's always the risk with... basically just making art. The specifics of the question can't really change it.

I don't know if this will help, but in terms of questions I have a lot of similar problems, I'm very sensitive but I need feedback to improve so I try to get feedback in a way that doesn't hurt me nor risk hurting the kind people that do come and give me feedback. I also tend to describe stuff badly and ramble. Despite that I feel like my question thread was really helpful to me and a lot of really nice people came to help me here : https://forums.tapas.io/t/how-do-i-manage-a-shifting-artstyle/75257

I'm not saying it's the best way to do it, but it might give you some leads.

I gave a lot of thought to trying to make the question clear even if explaining the context and stuff takes a while. I also tried to only ask questions other people's opinions would give me some insight on. I did want to ask about plot stuff and how to write x thing or how to dose subtlety and metaphor, but that stuff is not something other people can really judge until it's properly done in the comic and then I can ask for impressions and try and improve for the next pages.

I also framed the questions asking what other people would do in my place. "What would you do if you had my problem?" rather than "How do I do this?". It's small but it prompts people to respond with "I would do this" rather than "you should do this" and the former makes it easier for me to take the useful stuff from the answer without feeling demand rejection. (But that's just a little trick I play on myself to make sure I can properly consider the help people are giving me).

Finally I didn't respond straight away. I took the time to read and reread the answers, digested them and tested a few of the practical suggestions out to see how they look before coming back and answering. Rereading the messages helped me understand some of the things that I had misunderstood the first time + forced me to properly think and consider things even some of the commenters didn't necessarily mean.

A lot of questions should be to help jumpstart your critical thinking about your own work by giving you insight into other people's perspectives or how they get out of a problem you might be facing that might work for you, not to give you a direct answer.

I hope this helps!

Edit: I'm reading the answers after me and I'm seeing another problem: you need to think about your questions more before you ask them. You're not asking the actual question you want an answer to so you're chain-asking things that aren't the same.

Example : you asked if it was ok if characters were simple in a short story.

You did not think beforehand what the answer "yes" or "no" would bring as problems. The real question you were probably asking was:

"I have an effeminate gay character in my short story. Short stories usually have simpler characters. Is there a way that I can write a simple character like that without it seeming like a stereotype?"

I still have qualms with this question because the answer is "yes but you really have to do a lot of work to be around people like that, see their humanity, understand them beyond the surface level, and then breathe that understanding into your character while giving the audience less detail to keep the story short."

This is not a question we can give you a quick fix to.

Sorry. I just sort of assumed that since you answered that one question I could switch to a different one. I’d accepted that the characters were going to be one-dimensional now, and now had a different question.

I should have explained that better. Or maybe i’m wrong and this isn’t the problem at all.

Also I kind of was always going to do the second thing, I just just didn’t clarify because i’m horrible at communicating basic concepts. My question was more about how to handle doing this exact thing without it coming off as though i’m writing something generic or stereotypical.

Thanks. This helps a lot. I kind of assumed “what would you do in my place” was a lazy question, but now i’m going to try to use it more often.

To the question of "is it okay if the character is an effeminate gay character?" You already got a response from several people in the thread you originally asked the question.

A whole conversation was done about it...

This is clearly an example of what we meant by "it seems you don't pay attention to people's advice".

Like @darthmongoose said, your questions each time are way more specific but somehow still the same.

At this point it doesn't seem like you are asking for advice.... Instead it looks like you want others to write the story for you.

What you need is a teacher. We are not teachers!!!

We are authors who happily help but we can't go above general advice. We all have things to do and our own stories to write.

We can answer all your questions, but at this point I feel it is necessary you offer us money in exchange for our time. That is the first time I ever had to say that.... it makes me feel extremely sad.

Sorry. The question I asked was actually the wrong one honestly. What I wanted to know was how to make a one-dimensional main character not come off as a lazy stereotype. I should have said that instead, it would have been much more to the point and much easier to answer. But instead, I made it so specific that it became a completely different question, one I had already asked beforehand.

Homeslice, what people think of your work is completely out of your control. The only thing you can do is put your best foot forward and hope for the best. Quit worrying so much and asking nicvhe and unanswerable questions.

The answer is still the same. You already got a response in the previous thread I mentioned.

Changing the way you formulate the question does NOT make it unique and new. You are still making the same question with different words.

I think you just need to do your best to write the character in a way that you think makes sense/isn’t just the stereotype. How does that look to YOU?

I think there would be less frustration directed at you if it didn’t feel like these were questions you could actually answer for yourself. And if you make mistakes that’s actually the best way to learn. That’s why people so often tell you “just go make things”. There’s a lot of things you only learn by doing.