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Aug 2019

Recently I heard some of my students of graphic design feel bad about critiques of friends, family or clients. We artists, illustrators or Graphic designers, shouldn't feel depressed. People come from different cultures and different lifestyles. Their vision is not the same like us. So they don't even now how to interpret their vision. They need us to do that.

There's good critiques and bad critiques. Both shouldn't be taken personal. Just be taken as a job study to check if it help as a reference or not. The cruel Negative comments sometimes is troling or want to feel superior. And you'll have to learn to say no to toxic people.

I'm just saying that never take those critiques personal. Learn to receive critiques and analyze them so it will help you to grow up into a great artist.

Edit: I'm the queen of typos. Sorry working on it :laughing:

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I appreciate them, so long as they aren't of the "Lol, u suk' variety. Then I just ignore them.

If I'm doing something obviously wrong, I want to be called out on it so I can stop. If I'm doing a good job, then I appreciate a pat on the back the same as anybody.

Hmm... but some sort of "critical feedbacks" (like, those ones, which consist from trolling-kind psycho-analyzing, insultings and mocking) are really aimed to hurt you personally. Receiving them means that the person who said it doesn't like you (for whatever reason), so you'd better cut a communications with them.

Otherwise, I mostly agree to the post.

Okay, sorry, grammar nazi here. A "critique" is a criticism or analysis of intellectual property, document, action etc. A "critic" is someone who gives out a critique. Sorry.

For me, I just roll with the punches. I've yet to receive any unnecessarily harsh criticism. Generally I listen to what the critique says, try to understand where the person is coming from, and make changes to what they are critiquing depending on how valid the criticism is.

Not constructive and aggressive too: I ignore. I don't remember it happening for my comic, because it's so small, but I got these for many other things and I'm just entirely ignoring them. If people like to spend their time so uselessly, that's not my problem.

Not constructive but not aggressive: you don't like what I do? Fine. I take note and move on. No problem here.

Constructive and not aggressive: I love them, even when they are harsh or make me uncomfortable or puzzled. I wish to improve. When they are on aspects that I don't think I can improve just yet, it does not depress me; I just keep them for later, when I will have improve enough to consider them.

Constructive and aggressive: rare, but happens. I roll the eyes but take the advice anyway.

Oh, i understand that. Is just some people get offended by normal constructive critics. When people detect the troll just dump it or whatever :laughing:

Thanks for your gramar nazing :grin:. I'm having trouble with my English gramar lately and my mobile typos. So it's critique. Maan i miss my computer XD writing on mobile is so dificult.

I kiiinda see what you're saying, but you can't just "get over" a critique unless you learn that it's OK to feel bad and dejected about a critique, I mean you put hours into that work that just got torn apart--go ahead and feel bad about it. And it's OK to blame the critiquer if they're being too harsh. If you refuse to feel anything at all, if you say "Well I have no right to feel bad and it's my fault if I take this the wrong way" that's basically victim blaming. They feel bad because they were hurt. That's what a critique can do if it isn't worded gently enough.

Have you considered asking your students individually, why they felt bad over critiques? You raised some good points for one side of the argument, but are you sure you understand why they may feel particularly rejected? While it's not necessarily your responsibility to address this, learning more about the individual and their struggle may help you develop a better connection, thus allowing them to open up to your advice as practical encouragement and not just talk.

For me, I learned to value my art for its content as opposed to craftsmanship. I used to do it the other way around (even recently) until I realized I've always been good at coming up with content and that's what many people long for since anyone can easily learn craftsmanship. Being really good at the language of art isnt going to make or break me, just help me improve on what I do well regardless. So there's less pressure to get it right, but enough incentive to keep improving.

I take critique fairly if I asked for it.

I don't take the critique well if someone gives me advice on something I already know (ie. give vague advice like work on anatomy, commenting on design or colour choice when it's not my own design in the first place)

My favourite kind of critique: redline/edits to my artwork with notes on what changed/why it changed.

i'm truly hungry of critics on my works. and i listen on EVERY critics, no matter what.
BUT
from my point of view, problem is not the critics. problem is how the world is becoming, because directly ...look like everyone is your friend and everything you do is "so good!!!11! kawaiii". but then, in anonimity... it's the opposite: u are horrible like your works, die.
wth.

Some of them just say " No... I can't do that" but they actually can! Maybe they need to trust more on themselves. People will always critique ( good or bar) but i think artists need to learn to defend with their knowledge.

I have been getting a lot of bad ones lately because I'm trying something new. I always take them seriously if it says something specific that I can improve on i.e. linework, hire an editor, etc. if it's just general chatter, i ignore it.

i really want my readers to have a good experience reading my comics and novels and I want to eventually do it at a professional level someday but the road to that is paved with a lot of sharp rocks so you have to watch your step and move smart.

I think it is important to remember that a criticism, even if you feel it's a valid one, is not an order. You aren't obligated to act on it. (so I am confused by the reactions of some of my friends I asked to critic me, "I gave you my critics but you did not fixed anything that I pointed out, I won't comment your works ever again because it's a waste of my time")

It should be treated like an information to think over, not as instructions. This way you can fish over something useful even out of nonconstructive shitty critics, as long as it is not simple "your thing sucks".

I never had been trolled, and honestly it's kinda makes me feel left out of this experience.

I like critiques when they're solicited. It's fine if people comment, but I'll ignore them if I didn't ask for them.

On the flipside, it bugs me alot when people ask for criticism but then are annoyed or rebuke your input because it doesn't align with their vision.

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Jk obviously

I took there advice to improve my comics, whatever its lacking I will cover it up in future times when I had my chances.

Many people as far as I know are a bit too sensitive and would flat out defend their work which might end up in a brawler comments, I have been hiding in the shadows watching creator/authors reply to critics and learn from them of their positives and negatives.

Just so you know I did join tapas two years ago and I haven't been publishing any comics until 2019 of May.

By all account if those critiques reveals to you of what you are lacking in your comic or novel, such as character development and lore dumping (which it seems I have suffered through) best you take it and improve upon it.

Just don't be like those current creators outside of tapas like Rian Johnson, J.J. Abraham and the director of female Thor who would call their critiques and people who loved their long time franchise man babies or post a picture of their employees and supporters drinking a mug that is written man tears.

Its not healthy as far as I'm concern and not a good message for any creators.

Well, great for all you guys who take them good =) I am, probably, really bad at taking critiques? Not that anyone with good enough level of art (or maybe even any level) ever gave me a constructive critique, I would probably be thankful for that.
Other that that, I suppose I just feel offended that I put everything I could in the work and the person didn't just went past, but took his time to tell me how bad I am. Not that I would say anything to them to defend myself, but the hurt is done.
And the worst part, those kind of critique is not helping "to grow into a great artist", because are not giving you any useful information. So I am glad there were so little of those for me.
But this is just coming from self-confidence deficiency, of course... so maybe I am better at it now, who knows ^^

I try to ignore anything that isn't helpful. Like I'm already aware I should "practice art to get better" or i need to "work on my anatomy" etc etc. Those types of critiques are just so useless IMO because they pretty much apply to nearly everyone who is posting something in say a critique forum. Those people generally just want to feel helpful but don't know how to give feedback yet. They're not malicious or anything, it's just reflects their skill level for being a critic.

I try to ignore those mean ones, but obviously some days those types of things can linger in your head. I just remember that most people who straight up post mean comments, or people who are mean for no reason to you in life (in general not just as a critic) are usually dealing with their own life garbage and probably taking it out on you because you were the first available punching bag they saw. Many times their issues with you have nothing to actually do with you.

As for actual useful criticism I can use to improve, I love that stuff, gimme more please. I just wish it wasn't so hard to find. Luckily I have a handful of friends who I can ask when I'm really in a bind and they all know how to help me improve.