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Nov 2022

So, here's an interesting question for the first day of Inksgiving - how will you know when you've "made it" at last?

For me, I think it would be a TV Tropes page appearing for one or more of my books. As much as I want lots of people to read (and buy) my books, and support my Ko-fi page (which, sadly, isn't getting a lot of love at the moment), people doing a granular analysis of my fiction to pick out all of the tropes still seems to be the true measure of having "arrived" in pop culture.

I have no idea of anybody else feels that way, and it certainly could just be me, but that's my benchmark, for whatever it's worth...

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I think at some point I kind of return to the spirit of being a child about art and realizing that I'll never be in a state where I "made it". Instead I kind of look at it as I'm either learning from my own personal experiences and fixing my mistakes, or I'm simply not progressing. Maybe the topic is too existential for me personally to rationalize about in a healthy way.

It might be the difference between where I come from in a cultural fine-arts mission statement vs a commercial pop cultural art. Things like "rating your art", being good enough, and reaching a level seem to have less precedence for me than learning how to overcome today's obstacle in front of me or improving for the sake of pushing my current boundaries.

It's also worth noting that that I haven't had the same success with my tapas comic as I am having with my fineart career. So while I don't have that approach in my current path, I can't say having "made it" doesn't apply to tapas content creators.

I don't know if my idea of success is nonstandard but I'd like to imagine that so long as my work, be it illustration, comic or otherwise, has impacted someone, made them feels something, made them smile then that's enough

I've already experienced receiving financial support for my work, gotten fanart in years past when i was active in the comics community and had the opportunity to collaborate with a few folks here and there so at this point I'm just satisfied if people are seeing my work and enjoying it

I also like LCT's points about growth and self development because I also want to continue learning and growing in my creative path as well as being enriched by things in everyday life through the people around me and seeing the things they accomplish and overcome regardless of how large or small

Personally something I also want to be a part of not just individual growth or success but being able to see groups as a whole achieve things especially those that may be overlooked or undermined. I got a glimpse of that recently after finding out one of my zine submissions was posted so I'd like to see more like that.

Emotional enrichment may seem silly but I like it :blush:

Honestly? As much as I'd love to make money on it, have my comic in stores, be able to print everything, win awards, and the whole 9 yards...

...fan content.

If people are so invested in the stuff that I make that they are eager to put in the time, effort, and sometimes money to make more exist... then my work means something to someone besides me. Fan art, fan fiction, fan theories... I've said before that I think I could die happy if I had a table at a convention someday, and a fan walked up in cosplay of one of my characters and asked me to autograph a comic or print or something. Like, I've done cosplay. I know how much effort and, frequently, money, it takes to do it well.

I think that would honestly mean the most to me, regardless of everything else.

I've always figured "When I have a Wikipedia page", but having fanfic would definitely be a thing too. I've had fanart and even cosplay once (though not seen in person, just photos), but never a fanfic somewhere like AO3. I think I'd know my work was "a real fandom" if there was ever too much fan content that I couldn't keep track of it all, like if there was fan art I wasn't even seeing because people don't even think to tag me when they make it and they're just making it to share with other fans? That's when I'd feel like "Oh wow... my work is big now."

Yeah, basically when people make stuff about my stuff without me asking :stuck_out_tongue:

  • Someone writing an analysis/video essay about the themes of my work
  • Fanfics
  • Fanart from someone not in the webcomics space, fanart that is intended to be shared with other fans more than me
  • People recommending my work to others
  • Memes
  • Someone adding to my TvTropes page (I'm not above starting a skeleton page with like 10 tropes for my own work; adding things is a lower barrier to entry for contribution than making things from scratch)

Serious answer: people being able to recognize one of my characters when they appear in contexts outside of my series.

Not serious answer: when someone makes a video essay about how my series represent the collapse of traditional values

Personally...

I'm living out of this, I do a hobby/activity that I enjoy and profit out of it, even if not everyday is pink-filtered, I'm independent, I may pay rent but I managed to make the apartment look like a home, I have a partner, a pet, my own small family, I'm living healthier (No big stress, nausea, insomnia, self-harm thoughts, juggling responsabilities that never were mine to begin with) I got my friends and I didn't had to sacrifice away what I liked in order to satisfy my basic needs.

A lot of people say "You've made it" when you reached the news, or have your own informative page about who you are, or fame, or millions of money. I don't deny that would be "nice" (If I were to be patient enough to tolerate such amounts of attention). I'm treating my career as how I clean my house, I do the basics, the minimum required to live and consider it healthy. I don't need to kill myself deep cleaning every weekend, once a few months is ok"

I feel at content and at peace, so yeah I think I've made it... it may not be enough for some, and oh I'm sure I know a specific someone who'll never be satisfied with what I do, but I don't feel guilty anymore or that I have to carry those expectations and broken dreams of others.

The honest but not very romantic answer is money.
Money is the measurement of knowing if you made it.
Having journalists asking you for interviews, being mentioned in
magazines, having a wikipedia page about you, people recoginising
you outside of your homecountry or asking you for autographs or
a picture with you, publications etc will not give (me) the feeling that
I "made it"

for me, as long as my work can financially sustain me, I've made it. I'm already making my comic fo free out of my love for the craft and my story, and if I can be paid for it, then I'll have more time to do what I love.

you've "made it" what a simple yet... mind boggling query my friend

is it when your comic sells for billions world wide?

is it when your comic has been adapted in anime, movies and even on Broadway?

for me... it is when you lay down at night in a grassy field looking at the stars...

and you know deep in your heart that...

YOU"RE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE! bwuahahahahaaaa!!!
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I don't think I'll ever get to a point where I feel like "I've made it" but something that would really make me jump for joy is if my work ended up on a video essay, weather it be in a positive light like picking apart my work and theorizing about it or just full on tearing it apart and claiming its the worst thing to ever grace the internet since Sonichu or something like that.

Also, I agree with @Lensing honestly.

My long-term goal is to make art (maybe freelance video editing or graphic design) a full-time living so making money is a very important milestone for me.

i will know when i made it when people randomly make art of my Oc's

Someone writing an analysis/video essay about the themes of my work

Well, it has happened to me :slight_smile:

I write stories illustrated with Pixel art in Easy Japanese targeted to learners. They are real stories though with proper world building, plot, characters ... We've actually discussed about it in an other thread (Markus, the rune devices, ...).

I was once posting a link to my site to the dedicated subreddit and one of the commenter replied that they found my site, really liked it and they're going to do a livestream about it on Twitch.

I was both glad and embarassed...

I woud not save I've 'made it', this is mostly due to the size of the market I'm targeting but it's funny to think that my work has entered some people's lifes without me knowing them or even being aware of it.

And to answer the question, I will know I have made it when I receive an email from Hironobu Sakaguchi (the guy behind Final Fantasy).

EDIT : I read a bit too fast, the video wasn't exactly an ' essay about the themes of my work' but someone streamed themselves going through my work which is not nothing either .

Ooh, do you have a link to your site/the subreddit/the livestream? From our discussion in the other thread I thought it was a WiP but if you actually have something out, I'm kind of curious :stuck_out_tongue: