INK Concerns (with MATH!)

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 00:29:53 UTC #27

It seems so.
ONLY take the Web Ink will give you the full value of Ink befor fees

But we can't choose what we get. And the support do not know that they are giving us less value for the same amount of ink they are buying for the same amount of $

But that's the name of the game.

nostalgicroxas 2019-11-05 00:33:33 UTC #28

So does that mean if you're working entirely off ad generated ink, then the person you give that ink to will get "more of the ink value" than if someone paid actual money?

keii4ii 2019-11-05 00:39:00 UTC #29

^ Yes.

20 characters \o\ ... /o/

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 00:40:28 UTC #30

Yea I guess so.
But I see this as an investment now.

I invest 30% of my ink value to be able to have the mobile platform and all of the readers there are there.

If I only accepted web user I will loos the app reader.

And the value of ad ink is paid by the ad. And I accept using ad because It pays better.

Okay @michaelson my Rant is over.
It is an investment in my business of making a comic for a wider audience

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 00:44:09 UTC #31

Please stop making this about web vs mobile. We’ve already shown that comes out in fees and is therefore not part of the numbers here.

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 00:46:19 UTC #32

Then please tell me what this says

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 00:50:19 UTC #33

That’s the 2nd column. This is based on the first column. The one labeled “Amount”.

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 00:53:25 UTC #34

As I read this.
Your amount depends on the source where the Inks coming from.

Then there will be the next column of fee

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 00:57:38 UTC #35

I never said that and this is entirely based on pre-fee inks. It’s about the value of inks while they’re still in the system. You are grossly mis-interpreting my concerns.

If person A buys $2 worth of ink and gives it all to person B, before any fees are applied at all, regardless of where the ink came from, Person B would have something like $1.28. THEN fees are applied.

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 01:03:44 UTC #36

Im so sorry if I totally have misunderstood everything.

But I still read this as
Person A buying Ink from App you shall pay 30% in taxation.

Person A buying In from Web you shall pay 15% in taxation.

Person A earning free ink from ads you shall not pay taxation.

THEN

If person A is giving you the Ink in support Tapas takes a fee of 15% of your amount

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 01:11:25 UTC #37

Here is my math

If a reader support me with an ink value of 100$
All the ink is form app purchases with a 30% Taxation
Then I have a value of 70$.
Tapas takes the share at 15%
Then I have 59,50$

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 01:13:08 UTC #38

No. Those fees come after. How many ways can I say it?

BUY >> GIVE >> FEES

I am talking about just buy>>give.

keii4ii 2019-11-05 01:17:21 UTC #39

I think it would be helpful to get a staff answer for:

"If I make a $100 ink purchase on the app and give it all to one creator, how much do they actually get when they cash out?"

I understand the answer is not a simple "$[insert value]" because it depends on stuff like where the creator is located? Still, there's so much misunderstanding surrounding this process.

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 01:18:03 UTC #40

I must be so dumb?

I’m reading all of this in a different way than you do.

Can we have another player to clear this for me and help @colinmooredraws with this concern?

(sorry but I too try to figure this out too)

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 01:20:27 UTC #41

That isn't what I'm asking, though. It's "If I buy $100 in Ink and give it to an artist, how much will it show before fees are taken out?"

It's my question! I've said it several times. You keep trying to make it something different and don't want to consider a different option that what you've decided on.

keii4ii 2019-11-05 01:21:40 UTC #42

I think answering my question in detail (like, step by step, at which point which fee is taken out, at which point is the subtotal displayed in revenue vs available, etc) should answer that one?

EDIT: Thing is, I think "fees are taken out" is not a single step. There's at least two steps involved.

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 01:23:09 UTC #43

Why are you changing my question? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT AFTER FEES! THIS ISN'T ABOUT CASHING OUT!

This is about the value of Ink while it is STILL IN THE SYSTEM. I buy ink. I give Ink. Is it still valued the same? No fees involved at this stage.

nostalgicroxas 2019-11-05 01:23:23 UTC #44

Supposedly there's no fees taken out when Buyer purchases ink? Or is that not right, because likely the money has to go through some Third Party service, so some fee should apply to process it.

jensrichard77 2019-11-05 01:23:57 UTC #45

I’m sorry. But the two taxations fee App at 30% and Web at 15% is confusing me. Where do they fit in before/after the Tapas fee at 15%

colinmooredraws 2019-11-05 01:24:20 UTC #46

THIS IS ABOUT BEFORE FEES ARE INVOLVED STOP TALKING ABOUT FEES