INK Concerns (with MATH!)

[silverraven0]

Really? I've seen the web inks shop, the android and iOS separately and they seems to have a same prices. (the one on ISO is on my country balance but they're more or less have the same exchange rate value).

[jensrichard77]

True.
But if the price of a beer is 10 money and you expecting $ but I can choose to pay in danish KR.

You got your 10 Money. But not the value you need to rebuy new beer to sell

[jensrichard77]

and they seems to have a same prices.

Same price for the buyer.
But the value for the receiver is not the same

[jensrichard77]

Please @michaelson I’m turning myself into a rant against App Ink.
I wish not to be against my beloved Tapas.
Is this true? Are we paying the price for where the supporter buys the Ink?

[phoenixrenaissance]

And this is why I only purchase ink using Google Rewards money. Google cab take its cut from the money they've already given me.

And watch ads if you have them available. Ad providers don't want to provide if there's no viewership.

[colinmooredraws]

I’m on mobile so I can’t quote. But @joannekwan with the info you’ve given, it backs up my original math.

With 132 Ink at $0.11 before fees (so web or mobile does matter) that works out to ~$0.008.

So either way a big chunk of money is being lost along the way. Fees are inevitable but this seems excessive. If you use a paypal set up or Ko-Fi the fee is something like 3% and that’s it.

My main concern here is: how much is Ink actually worth before fees? Because with this info it loses up to 36% of its value before fees are even being applied.

[jensrichard77]

It seems so.
ONLY take the Web Ink will give you the full value of Ink befor fees

But we can't choose what we get. And the support do not know that they are giving us less value for the same amount of ink they are buying for the same amount of $

But that's the name of the game.

[nostalgicroxas]

So does that mean if you're working entirely off ad generated ink, then the person you give that ink to will get "more of the ink value" than if someone paid actual money?

[keii4ii]

^ Yes.

20 characters \o\ ... /o/

[jensrichard77]

Yea I guess so.
But I see this as an investment now.

I invest 30% of my ink value to be able to have the mobile platform and all of the readers there are there.

If I only accepted web user I will loos the app reader.

And the value of ad ink is paid by the ad. And I accept using ad because It pays better.

Okay @michaelson my Rant is over.
It is an investment in my business of making a comic for a wider audience

[colinmooredraws]

Please stop making this about web vs mobile. We’ve already shown that comes out in fees and is therefore not part of the numbers here.

[jensrichard77]

Please stop making this about web vs mobile.

Then please tell me what this says

[colinmooredraws]

That’s the 2nd column. This is based on the first column. The one labeled “Amount”.

[jensrichard77]

As I read this.
Your amount depends on the source where the Inks coming from.

Then there will be the next column of fee

[colinmooredraws]

I never said that and this is entirely based on pre-fee inks. It’s about the value of inks while they’re still in the system. You are grossly mis-interpreting my concerns.

If person A buys $2 worth of ink and gives it all to person B, before any fees are applied at all, regardless of where the ink came from, Person B would have something like $1.28. THEN fees are applied.

[jensrichard77]

Im so sorry if I totally have misunderstood everything.

But I still read this as
Person A buying Ink from App you shall pay 30% in taxation.

Person A buying In from Web you shall pay 15% in taxation.

Person A earning free ink from ads you shall not pay taxation.

THEN

If person A is giving you the Ink in support Tapas takes a fee of 15% of your amount

[jensrichard77]

Here is my math

If a reader support me with an ink value of 100$
All the ink is form app purchases with a 30% Taxation
Then I have a value of 70$.
Tapas takes the share at 15%
Then I have 59,50$

[colinmooredraws]

No. Those fees come after. How many ways can I say it?

BUY >> GIVE >> FEES

I am talking about just buy>>give.

[keii4ii]

I think it would be helpful to get a staff answer for:

"If I make a $100 ink purchase on the app and give it all to one creator, how much do they actually get when they cash out?"

I understand the answer is not a simple "$[insert value]" because it depends on stuff like where the creator is located? Still, there's so much misunderstanding surrounding this process.

[jensrichard77]

I must be so dumb?

I’m reading all of this in a different way than you do.

Can we have another player to clear this for me and help @colinmooredraws with this concern?

(sorry but I too try to figure this out too)