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Apr 2021

Background: im a licensed psychotherapist in two states. I've been going to the same psychiatrist for 20 one hundred years but I moved and had to go to a new one for a refill.

So, I'm not even a regular therapist. I'm a trauma specialist with five years experience. I'm certified in EMDR, which means I have an advanced certificate of mastery. I have extensive experience working with trauma and substance use. I've been published. I've worked on skid row and in Beverly hills treatment centers. Im boujee. Im extra. My cash rate is high. I know what the fuck I'm doing, is what I'm saying.

I go to a telehealth appointment with my new provider. Usually, I tell them I'm a therapist. We do the secret handshake and exchange Illuminati cards, etc. Im in and out no problem, things are very nice. Very polite. Professional. Sometimes we talk about the biz. My last psychiatrist taught at ucla and his hourly rate could buy red bottoms. He was respectful. I assumed they were all like this but i guess i was paying for it.

New psychiatrist is covered under health insurance. If my old guy was a BMW, this lady is a city bus. i decide to tell her I'm an artist instead of telling her I'm a therapist. i wanna see what its like. you know. for regular people.

It starts with her using a weird therapist voice. huh. okay.

"Im an artist," I said.

she tells me "it's great you can still do art on your medication."
This is factually incorrect, fam. Medication does not stifle your artistic impulse. It's a point I make to people constantly, because artists will go off their medication if it threatens their livelihood. Although everyone's reactions are unique, I would never open the conversation with a generalization like its a statement of fact. Like, its a conversation you have with the client. You don't just tell them shit like that. If I told my clients "a hundred, this medication will make you not wanna do your job," people wouldn't take it. There's a lot to consider. The conversation I usually have with clients is "when is the last time you created something? How much of that is the depression? Should we consider medication? Would you like a referral?"

She tells me, "you're wrong" and explains how medication stifles artistic drive. Gives examples. One of her examples is a client who taught her. In the biz we call that a red flag.

First, if someone ever told me I was wrong I would just walk out. This is a deal-breaker. I was kind of in it to win it so I stayed. I considered breaking character and telling her I was a therapist. But i didnt. I cant get over the fact she told me I was wrong. No one. Ever. Like, how even? Does this usually happen? Psychiatrists just tell you you're wrong?

Next, a very long conversation about my history, in which minute details were mined for information. I assume this is an insurance thing.
"Well can you remember what your mood was like ten years ago before you were medicated?"
"No."
"Do you think you might have had racing thoughts?"
"Maybe?" It was ten years ago. ?? This isn't even important. Not clinically. she is trying to build a clinical case for medication, I get it. By the way, this is how it happens. People can diagnose you for anything if they work the facts right. Ever been mad? Ever been suicidal? Yeah, anytime in your life. You can work it to fit a DX.

Next, an openly condescending discussion of my life living with mental illness.
"I live with my husband," I said.
"So nice that you have that," she said.
Followed by a discussion of how hard it is for people with mental illness to form lasting relationships. At this point, as an attachment-focused EMDR therapist, I have broken out in hives. This is so insulting and triggering for clients. whatever.

Finally. She orders bloodwork. We negotiate whether or not she should refill my prescription before I do the bloodwork.
"You can hold my prescription hostage until I do bloodwork," I said sarcastically.
She thought that was hilarious. Hostage! Yes! She'll do that. Until I go out and get this bloodwork, and she receives it, I'm on the fucking hook, she's got my prescription. Thank god I have enough pills left. this is ridiculous.

She does some small talk about "my art" and "how nice for me". She tries to get me to come back in 3 months and I put my foot down that 6 months is fine. I almost have to break character to explain that somehow "I just know" that 6 month appointments are typical for this diagnosis.

In conclusion, this was terrible. I am so sorry. Psychiatrists are THE WORST. I knew this but I have never lived it. Holy shit.

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Some psychiatrists are nightmares. I had one who was more boring than a saltine cracker. We would talk, she would blabber about something, and I would just sit and nod. If we are thinking cars, she's an old Kia soul. Like, she was trash. Had that fancy office with all the lil' details that you would think she was a hoarder. I don't know.

My mom had a different psychiatrist and we thought we would try him. Lord, it was like upgrading to a series 8 BMW. He was fantastic. We didn't wander off into different directions, we were centered on what was wrong with my current medications, what would be causing that, and how we can go about fixing it. He was kind and understood what I was going through to a degree. We figured out TOGETHER what medications would be best and which ones we should avoid.

TLDR: Finding the right Pysch can be a good experience.

Yeaaa that's kinda what makes the procrastination on getting an appkworse.
Like, I can handle my mental health and stuff. It's not great but im functioning.
And I'm honestly worried that if I found someone bad, and didn't realize the red flags, this could do more harm than good??

I'm already familiar with doctor hopping thanks to an autoimmune disease.. E. G. after a move to a new city, it's an absolute nightmare to find a competent gp. Or competent specialists.

It's a big pain.

Also I kinda don't want to go through that whole "doc looks at the existing chronic illness, now everything that's 'wrong' with me must be because of that." thing that always comes up with those things.
If it is, okay. But everyone just jumps on it without even considering other reasons or without even letting me finish my damn sentence. And I'm not even being hyperbolic.

@EncryptedWriting you had me dying at "kia soul." I guess you don't know bad help until you've had good help?
@Yulek yikes yikes and yikes. I'm familiar with that game. "what is X diagnosis is the reason for all the client's problems?" incredible. you've cracked the case, sherlock! Just kidding. You haven't done anything, and you're probably not going to do anything, either. I agree that good help is the most important.

I changed my psychiatrist cause my last one seemed to not really give a shit and the new one has good reviews, she doesn't seem to care either. I don't think i've ever had a psychiatrist or therapist that actually cared about their job. Oh well, as long as they write prescriptions for me and I get my shit together, I guess all that matters under american healthcare lol

i'm thinking about seeing a therapist again but honestly I think i'm functioning better than ever. Meanwhile my sister has been in therapy her entire life and she's a wreck.

Yeah, you really have to have a network of people who can tell you if your psychiatrist is legit or not. I had a friend (past tense on had) who brought her psychiatrist with her to hang out with us at a bar??? and then he hit on me the entire time with like waaay too much handsy stuff and words I won't repeat here and invited me back to his house although I was 23 at the time and he was like in his late 30's??? also he was married but he kept saying it was OK because they had a open marriage but like...I'm in my early twenties??? Like everything about him was a huge "yikes" and he kept using stuff about me that he must have heard from my friend in their therapy sessions as like a weapon to try and get me to be nice to him. It was crazy.

Basically I told him to never talk to me again or touch me again--and as I'm like "should I get the bouncer" his wife comes over, and drags him away to explain "yo you have crossed a line" and he came back and was like "Don't worry, I have lots of friends and clients like you--you'll like me eventually. No one ever likes me when they first meet me" and it was like...I just told you to stop talking to me wtf. So I freakin ditched them and stood in the crowd of strangers in probably the most sketchy bar I have been in in my entire life rather than hang out with my friend.

anyway, I'm not her friend anymore, for reasons I won't go into. And like, I know not every therapist is like that--but how is he even like...accredited? It was crazy.

I hope that now she has a different therapist, but I had to talk to a lot of my friends who have been to therapy to say "yo is that...normal? At all?" And they were like "No! not at all!" which was...super reassuring.

Not to scare anyone from therapy, of course, but just be mindful that you don't have to take the first therapist you see and you probably won't take the first therapist that you see, especially if you have a budget like this girl did and was basically going to him because she didn't know her other options.

I remember one of the first therapists (idr his credentials) I went to brought up medication within the first 30 minutes of our appointment and insisted I take the prescription with me when I left. (I didn't fill it.)

I just remember being taken aback because I didn't feel all the things he said I was supposed to be feeling. At one point, he isn't I was depressed because I laid down under a table during a performance and people reported it to his office. I wasn't in a depressive mood. I just needed a place to nap for a bit.

I am grateful I found another doctor who helped me learn how to manage my anxiety disorder and treat the negative side-effects it was having on my body. I wouldn't have gotten help if that guy was my only option for treatment.

I've been in and out of therapy for the last 11 years. I've gone to different psychotherapist and have even tried different types of mental therapy. I always feel like I'm being looked done on or mocked. In some cases, I have felt outright ignored. In fact, when I was a teen, one told my mom I was just attention seeking.

I just left the last one right after covid hit last year. I'm so sick of not being able to find someone who will help me and being forced to work on my issues alone. It's so damn stressful and nobody will prescribe me anything because I won't "Cooperate" with them. Like what the hell! Just because I don't want to meet every week or once a month, they don't want anything to do with me.

It just pisses me off that most of my issues are "Made up" or "only temporary." It even stinks when I get told "I don't see you enough to make a proper diagnoses."

wow this thread kind of blew up

@indagold0 no that is not good enough you deserve a better therapist. nope, not okay. you deserve competent help.

@rajillustration 10/10 legitimately wild story. you can take his license if you want. google "bbs (your state)" and submit a complaint.

@cherrystark nope that's not normal either. if you say "no medication" he has to listen to you full stop. whether you are cash client or insurance, he doesn't get to tell you what's good for you. bad. very bad. also, the "nap under a table" is a great example of using any symptoms to justify a diagnosis. this is very common red flag for shitty therapy. it happens when therapists are overworked. they don't have time to know their clients so it becomes a creative writing exercise. You deserved better help.

@FancyDreamer absolutely terrible and unbelievable that you have been through this shit. you deserve help that's competent. I am so sorry you had to deal with this shit. Like, I can only apologize.

not to like, push shit. because I know these are horror stories. but there are resources for finding competent professionals.
psychologytoday1 will let you search for therapists by zip code and price range. you can call and talk with therapists first to find out if you like them

melanin therapy1 is a directory for therapists of color.

advekit1 is a new database where you tell them what kind of insurance you have and they find a therapist that's covered. its better than psychology today because advekit connects you to cash therapists. they do all the billing on the back end to get you reimbursed. you fill out zero health insurance stuff they do the whole thing. however, you have to cover the cost of cash up front, before being reimbursed. long term its nice because you can see a Louboutin therapist.

Thanks for the resources. I've gone to them and bookmarked them for when I'm ready to try again.

oh that's a good resource--wish I had it 10 years ago because the whole situation was a disturbing power play. I don't even remember the guy's name anymore unfortunately.

I think it's better than nothing.
Here for example we didn't have any sort of psychiatric or psychotherapist qualified help till like the 2000s maybe (Before that it was more of a tool to get political undesirables away into nuthouses, and a bit after that nobody could care less about psychological health in a falling-apart country), and probably 90% of the "specialists" are either don't know what the fuck are they doing (since we began to catch up with the rest of the world just 20 years ago and there's still psychologists who think Freud was the pinnacle of truth), or just flat out bought their diploma illegally in a crosswalk tunnel.
I'm actually a bit envious that you guys have a working system you trust, and there's no social stigma against seeking this kind of help (Here if you mention that you might have psychological problems, everybody begins to view you either as a whiner that can't just solder on, since you're obviously faking it because you're clearly not a drooling moron or a violent psycho, you're not even suicidal). Sometimes I think I should seek some help, but with no way of knowing in advance if the guy behind the desk will be even competent, let alone sympathetic and not dismissive, and the whole "having sessions with a psychologist" perceived as some premium thing that the rich people do, not the common folk, well... The chance of it being just a waste of rather significant amounts of money (or, at worst, be waste of money AND actually damaging) is rather very high.

A big part of getting therapy is the stigma surrounding mental health. It sounds like you've encountered your fair share of shame. If you think you need help I'm obviously going to empower you, but when you're ready. Being ready for therapy is a huge part of the process. Thanks for sharing this.

Thanks. :slight_smile: I learned a lot that semester of college. It was the first time I was ready to admit that I wasn't neurotypical and that was okay. I also found people who I trust, who recognize when my behavior isn't normal and actually will talk to me about it, instead of running off and reporting me. Had the well-meaning, yet passive-aggressive soul actually checked on me when I was under the table, they'd have known I needed a nap after a busy day.

I don't have the energy or money to keep looking and I still don't have a solid health insurance yet. Honestly my friends have been better therapists than most i've had lol My friends also are under the NHS and it's equally as shit as america, just less money wasted :joy:

I hate stories where people have given up because of bad experiences. I wish you'd gotten the help you needed the first time. I also know how the system works and I am not suprised.

I mean i'm still going to a psychiatrist, I just don't have the money to keep paying for a therapist I have to vet first when i'm actually functioning well without one lol

I hear that, and I don't think everyone needs a therapist. If you ever change your mind, I posted a couple links up top.

While I found two really good psychotherapists over my years of suffering from depression and PTSD, I never ever managed to find a psychiatrist who was good or listened to anything or was at least a bit careful in the way they gave me their medication. I also went to a clinic for several weeks and the psychiatrists there also tried to shove down the pills, regardless how bad side effects were (we had several people blacking out every day, throwing up, not eating anymore, doing suicide attempts etcetera), because they usually put the medication on a really high level from the start instead of slowly going up and disregarded every complain of the patients that they feel much worse than before.

All the psychiatrists I dealt with in my last 20 years of experience with them, were always like: Yeah suck it up, its normal to have side effects for several months and if you feel like you don't have positive effects, it's cause you are not open enough for the medication, so it's your fault.

I hate them and I decided after taking antidepressants for 10+ years to never again do that and instead have a really good therapist and somehow fight my way without any pills.

I don't say these pills don't help, they surely do for some people. But finding the right one's, the right amount and the right doctor to give them to you is sometimes near impossible.

she tells me "it's great you can still do art on your medication."
This is factually incorrect, fam. Medication does not stifle your artistic impulse. It's a point I make to people constantly, because artists will go off their medication if it threatens their livelihood.

I'd like to draw attention to this point. I agree whole-heartedly. So many people seem to romanticize mental illness, especially artists. People buy into that tiresome cliche of "you must suffer for your art." Meanwhile, going on antidepressants snapped me right out of a miserable artistic slump. It seems mental healthcare providers actually know what they're talking about, some of the time.

Anyway, sorry that you've had such a bad experience with that psychiatrist. I've never had an experience that bad with one. I can't help but wonder if some of her condescension came from other aspects of your identity. You presented yourself as an artist and a married woman, while I am a single male engineer. My guess was that she assumed you were utterly dependent on your husband, too frail to handle your own affairs. At the risk of understatement, she seems overly parsimonious in her assumptions.