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Apr 2021

Yeah, you really have to have a network of people who can tell you if your psychiatrist is legit or not. I had a friend (past tense on had) who brought her psychiatrist with her to hang out with us at a bar??? and then he hit on me the entire time with like waaay too much handsy stuff and words I won't repeat here and invited me back to his house although I was 23 at the time and he was like in his late 30's??? also he was married but he kept saying it was OK because they had a open marriage but like...I'm in my early twenties??? Like everything about him was a huge "yikes" and he kept using stuff about me that he must have heard from my friend in their therapy sessions as like a weapon to try and get me to be nice to him. It was crazy.

Basically I told him to never talk to me again or touch me again--and as I'm like "should I get the bouncer" his wife comes over, and drags him away to explain "yo you have crossed a line" and he came back and was like "Don't worry, I have lots of friends and clients like you--you'll like me eventually. No one ever likes me when they first meet me" and it was like...I just told you to stop talking to me wtf. So I freakin ditched them and stood in the crowd of strangers in probably the most sketchy bar I have been in in my entire life rather than hang out with my friend.

anyway, I'm not her friend anymore, for reasons I won't go into. And like, I know not every therapist is like that--but how is he even like...accredited? It was crazy.

I hope that now she has a different therapist, but I had to talk to a lot of my friends who have been to therapy to say "yo is that...normal? At all?" And they were like "No! not at all!" which was...super reassuring.

Not to scare anyone from therapy, of course, but just be mindful that you don't have to take the first therapist you see and you probably won't take the first therapist that you see, especially if you have a budget like this girl did and was basically going to him because she didn't know her other options.

I remember one of the first therapists (idr his credentials) I went to brought up medication within the first 30 minutes of our appointment and insisted I take the prescription with me when I left. (I didn't fill it.)

I just remember being taken aback because I didn't feel all the things he said I was supposed to be feeling. At one point, he isn't I was depressed because I laid down under a table during a performance and people reported it to his office. I wasn't in a depressive mood. I just needed a place to nap for a bit.

I am grateful I found another doctor who helped me learn how to manage my anxiety disorder and treat the negative side-effects it was having on my body. I wouldn't have gotten help if that guy was my only option for treatment.

I've been in and out of therapy for the last 11 years. I've gone to different psychotherapist and have even tried different types of mental therapy. I always feel like I'm being looked done on or mocked. In some cases, I have felt outright ignored. In fact, when I was a teen, one told my mom I was just attention seeking.

I just left the last one right after covid hit last year. I'm so sick of not being able to find someone who will help me and being forced to work on my issues alone. It's so damn stressful and nobody will prescribe me anything because I won't "Cooperate" with them. Like what the hell! Just because I don't want to meet every week or once a month, they don't want anything to do with me.

It just pisses me off that most of my issues are "Made up" or "only temporary." It even stinks when I get told "I don't see you enough to make a proper diagnoses."

wow this thread kind of blew up

@indagold0 no that is not good enough you deserve a better therapist. nope, not okay. you deserve competent help.

@rajillustration 10/10 legitimately wild story. you can take his license if you want. google "bbs (your state)" and submit a complaint.

@cherrystark nope that's not normal either. if you say "no medication" he has to listen to you full stop. whether you are cash client or insurance, he doesn't get to tell you what's good for you. bad. very bad. also, the "nap under a table" is a great example of using any symptoms to justify a diagnosis. this is very common red flag for shitty therapy. it happens when therapists are overworked. they don't have time to know their clients so it becomes a creative writing exercise. You deserved better help.

@FancyDreamer absolutely terrible and unbelievable that you have been through this shit. you deserve help that's competent. I am so sorry you had to deal with this shit. Like, I can only apologize.

not to like, push shit. because I know these are horror stories. but there are resources for finding competent professionals.
psychologytoday1 will let you search for therapists by zip code and price range. you can call and talk with therapists first to find out if you like them

melanin therapy1 is a directory for therapists of color.

advekit1 is a new database where you tell them what kind of insurance you have and they find a therapist that's covered. its better than psychology today because advekit connects you to cash therapists. they do all the billing on the back end to get you reimbursed. you fill out zero health insurance stuff they do the whole thing. however, you have to cover the cost of cash up front, before being reimbursed. long term its nice because you can see a Louboutin therapist.

Thanks for the resources. I've gone to them and bookmarked them for when I'm ready to try again.

oh that's a good resource--wish I had it 10 years ago because the whole situation was a disturbing power play. I don't even remember the guy's name anymore unfortunately.

I think it's better than nothing.
Here for example we didn't have any sort of psychiatric or psychotherapist qualified help till like the 2000s maybe (Before that it was more of a tool to get political undesirables away into nuthouses, and a bit after that nobody could care less about psychological health in a falling-apart country), and probably 90% of the "specialists" are either don't know what the fuck are they doing (since we began to catch up with the rest of the world just 20 years ago and there's still psychologists who think Freud was the pinnacle of truth), or just flat out bought their diploma illegally in a crosswalk tunnel.
I'm actually a bit envious that you guys have a working system you trust, and there's no social stigma against seeking this kind of help (Here if you mention that you might have psychological problems, everybody begins to view you either as a whiner that can't just solder on, since you're obviously faking it because you're clearly not a drooling moron or a violent psycho, you're not even suicidal). Sometimes I think I should seek some help, but with no way of knowing in advance if the guy behind the desk will be even competent, let alone sympathetic and not dismissive, and the whole "having sessions with a psychologist" perceived as some premium thing that the rich people do, not the common folk, well... The chance of it being just a waste of rather significant amounts of money (or, at worst, be waste of money AND actually damaging) is rather very high.

A big part of getting therapy is the stigma surrounding mental health. It sounds like you've encountered your fair share of shame. If you think you need help I'm obviously going to empower you, but when you're ready. Being ready for therapy is a huge part of the process. Thanks for sharing this.

Thanks. :slight_smile: I learned a lot that semester of college. It was the first time I was ready to admit that I wasn't neurotypical and that was okay. I also found people who I trust, who recognize when my behavior isn't normal and actually will talk to me about it, instead of running off and reporting me. Had the well-meaning, yet passive-aggressive soul actually checked on me when I was under the table, they'd have known I needed a nap after a busy day.

I don't have the energy or money to keep looking and I still don't have a solid health insurance yet. Honestly my friends have been better therapists than most i've had lol My friends also are under the NHS and it's equally as shit as america, just less money wasted :joy:

I hate stories where people have given up because of bad experiences. I wish you'd gotten the help you needed the first time. I also know how the system works and I am not suprised.

I mean i'm still going to a psychiatrist, I just don't have the money to keep paying for a therapist I have to vet first when i'm actually functioning well without one lol

I hear that, and I don't think everyone needs a therapist. If you ever change your mind, I posted a couple links up top.

While I found two really good psychotherapists over my years of suffering from depression and PTSD, I never ever managed to find a psychiatrist who was good or listened to anything or was at least a bit careful in the way they gave me their medication. I also went to a clinic for several weeks and the psychiatrists there also tried to shove down the pills, regardless how bad side effects were (we had several people blacking out every day, throwing up, not eating anymore, doing suicide attempts etcetera), because they usually put the medication on a really high level from the start instead of slowly going up and disregarded every complain of the patients that they feel much worse than before.

All the psychiatrists I dealt with in my last 20 years of experience with them, were always like: Yeah suck it up, its normal to have side effects for several months and if you feel like you don't have positive effects, it's cause you are not open enough for the medication, so it's your fault.

I hate them and I decided after taking antidepressants for 10+ years to never again do that and instead have a really good therapist and somehow fight my way without any pills.

I don't say these pills don't help, they surely do for some people. But finding the right one's, the right amount and the right doctor to give them to you is sometimes near impossible.

she tells me "it's great you can still do art on your medication."
This is factually incorrect, fam. Medication does not stifle your artistic impulse. It's a point I make to people constantly, because artists will go off their medication if it threatens their livelihood.

I'd like to draw attention to this point. I agree whole-heartedly. So many people seem to romanticize mental illness, especially artists. People buy into that tiresome cliche of "you must suffer for your art." Meanwhile, going on antidepressants snapped me right out of a miserable artistic slump. It seems mental healthcare providers actually know what they're talking about, some of the time.

Anyway, sorry that you've had such a bad experience with that psychiatrist. I've never had an experience that bad with one. I can't help but wonder if some of her condescension came from other aspects of your identity. You presented yourself as an artist and a married woman, while I am a single male engineer. My guess was that she assumed you were utterly dependent on your husband, too frail to handle your own affairs. At the risk of understatement, she seems overly parsimonious in her assumptions.

YES. I think that's exactly what happened. When I present as "credentialed mental health provider" people are much more respectful. Sometimes I get "Miss". That was the worst part of the whole experience. As soon as I said I was an artist she started to feel bad for me. Every subsequent assumption implied my art was a handicap, something that hampered an otherwise productive human being from reaching their potential.

As for your other point, I've worked with a lot of artists. I always ask "show me what you've been working on in this depressive episode?" or "let me see this body of work you've accomplished while living with unmedicated bipolar." If somebody actually had a coherent body of work I would totally agree that they were doing GREAT. But its never happened. Its always like, they have ideas but due to mental illness they've been unable to execute, or complete, any meaningful work. I can't prescribe medication but I can encourage them to accept a referral.

@Colours_dont_match
I don't think anybody should have to go through that. Yes, psych wards are just LIKE. THAT. But outpatient psychiatrists should listen to their patients. Patients know their bodies better than doctors do, full stop. Don't get me started on medication withdrawal. I work in substance use, I've seen every kind of detox and withdrawal (ok like mostly, dont fact check this.) Suboxone withdrawal is the worst substance withdrawal I've seen, worse than heroin. Its a straight month of classic withdrawal, shakes, weird appetite, no sleep, stomach pain, just the worst. Then its a couple months of intense cravings and a year and a half for your brain to adjust.

it takes six months just to get off antidepressants. Six months, because the dosage has to be adjusted incrementally to avoid a mental health episode. Like, shaving pills, if youre doing it right. Then minimum another six months for the worst symptoms to end. Who knows how long for your brain to adjust. TBH ive never seen anybody come all the way off long term antidepressants because its too hard. Thats not to say people shouldnt take them. Im just making an observation. When clients try and do it on their own its like a red flag because they usually dont do the prepwork, they just stop. It can trigger a new depressive episode, suicide attempt, mania etc. Its like a one way ticket to psych ward in a lot of cases. Which as we all know, is the worst. Then the clients gets out and they are more dependent than ever, plus they feel like shit from being in the psych ward. Please please dont do this.

I had a therapist once, told them I was an artist and she would constantly tell me that "maybe getting a job would make me feel more fulfilled in life" So I wouldn't feel suicidal anymore!
So I was getting nagged about jobs and moving out at home and at therapy.
when I literally couldn't do either because of my disability.
her also telling me to go to college to get a good job to afford a place to live- when I never even passed my GED just made me feel worse.
I remember telling her she was lucky to have gone to college, most people never do or they never finish it and she got mad at me. :confused:

She also thought I was lying when I told her I knew 3 different people who had gotten addicted to prescription medications she said "that's not possible those aren't addictive"
You don't just tell a patient their life experience is wrong.
and the therapist I have now called my BF's A-sexuality a "problem"
but she's the best therapist I've had so far and she's at least putting in an effort to help me, unlike the others.
I just hope she stays cause every other therapist left without warning.

My psychiatrist on the other hand, she just asked me like 3 questions and gave me zoloft which I had a really bad reaction to and made me even more averted to medication. I'm on Buspirone now, so I don't freak out in public and I might need to switch meds again soon too if my therapist ends up diagnosing me with bipolar. But meds are scary idk

No medical professional should ever tell you that you're wrong. Ever. Or try and give you life advice.

It's hard not to give clients life advice, but its a professional skill you have to develop as a therapist. Meanwhile, friends in my real life do not get that courtesy. I'm sorry, I am not your therapist, Karen. I tell my friends, "You need to do X,Y and Z and you are a mess." I cant do that with clients.

Professional boundaries are an important part of the therapeutic process because a lot of clients come from unhealthy home life/ background where boundaries never existed. Its triggering to be in a relationship with a person who has power (therapist, psychiatrist) and there are no boundaries.

I suspect part of the "always leaving" is a symptom of a therapy agency. If you're ever interested, I've posted links above to find therapists. Private practice therapists are not bound by clinic rules and are likely to keep a client for longer. The "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality also sounds like an agency thing. They are coached to provide limited-term therapy and their whole schtick is "empowering the client.....to function within capitalism in a more conventional way." Thats just how they get their funding. They only have the resources to see clients for a little while, so they try and get them stable as quickly as possible. This usually means a job or shunting them off to another resource/ agency.

yea the last agency I was with was really terrible, they make my mental health worse instead of better

my new therapist is good though, different agency too she doesn't have the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality despite being part of an agency and she's told me she has no intention of leaving. I like her, she might have opinions I disagree with but she actually tries.

I think its so nice that you added those resources for people in the thread though, I wont need them but thats really considerate of you <3

It sounds like you found a keeper!
Its really hard to find a therapist. Like, really hard. When people call me for therapy and I cant taken them on (insurance, or not my specialty) I try and find them someone else. I figure when people cold-call therapists they are taking a huge risk so if it doesnt work out theyre just as likely to give up. Last night a woman called me and i looked up her insurance company's referral line with her on the phone so she didnt have to go away empty handed. Thats like, worst case scenario. If you email me and youre in my state I can get you therapist's phone numbers if you give me a day. I'll make you a fucking list.