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(yes it's another one of those 'why am i not popular' threads, rejoice! please read the whole post before replying)

So, I get extremely little traffic on any site where I post my work. I've tried multiple ways to grow - draw fanart of what's popular, use hashtags, etc., but none of it has worked. I get maybe one new follower if I'm lucky. Getting to a three-digit number would take decades at this rate... On all my accounts, my follower count is pretty much frozen in place, in the (very) low tens; view counts, where available, are also very low.

I am aware in many cases where people complain their art isn't popular, it's simply because they aren't that good yet, and their art has very clear issues with basic things. I've been there. But over the years of posting my art online, I've been trying hard to improve.
I know I'm not at the level to deserve thousands of followers yet, but I also honestly think my art deserves a little more attention than it is getting. :unamused: It's a very real concern for me that I'll never "make it" - if I continue gaining follows at the rate of 3-4 per year, it'll never change unless a miracle happens.

"Why do you even care to make it", someone would ask. "Why can't you enjoy creating for yourself."
Well, firstly, I want (or more like, NEED) to eventually be able to make money with my art. Naturally I'm not good enough for that yet, but skill isn't the only thing I need - I also need a fanbase.
Secondly, I draw mostly to tell stories. I want my stories to be read, to leave some impression on people, to exist in somebody's mind, to be remembered.

It's not exactly like I want to have five or six-digit number of followers. But it discourages me how I've seen MANY artists whose art looked close to mine in terms of skill level who were getting more attention, and not always because they were drawing fanart of popular things, either.

This whole thing is stressing me out so much that I suspect it's one of the main reasons for my recurring artblocks. But when I don't draw and don't post, I lose even more chances to become known... the vicious cycle.

I'm not really asking how to get popular - because I doubt there's anything that I could do and would actually help me break out. (For example, one advice I see often is to have a network of artist friends. But I have big social anxiety, so making friends is already extremely hard for me, and becoming friends with someone just to promote your art seems honestly fake and heartless to me.)

What I am asking is...
How to keep believing in yourself when there's hardly anyone else who does?
How to like your art when nobody knows or cares it exists?
How to be proud of your improvement even though there isn't an increase in your popularity to go with it?
How to avoid finding yourself worthless as an artist because you know you will never make it?

(Also, would starting over with new accounts, new name etc. would help in gaining traffic at all? Did anyone here try that, and what was your experience with it? i don't really want to do it, i'm thinking of it as sort of last resort)
Thanks for taking your time to read this long post! I apologize if I seem bitter or angry, I'm just kinda tired and impatient.

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I go through this a lot. To be honest there are moments when I don't have confidence in my art. I'm not big on promoting myself too and socializing does not come naturally to me. But it does help that I try to communicate to the small 6 people that read my comic and care about my story. I try to focus on them and myself.

I get the feeling (I might be wrong) that you might have hit promotion burnout. I describe it as getting overwhelmed with promoting your comic to the point where the expectation of the effort you are putting in isn't delivering equal results.

Maybe consider taking a break from promoting for a little while.

As someone who spent 90% of their time as an artist not showing work to anyone...I can say after awhile it really does suck not sharing it, and it's even worse when it feels like no one even sees it.

My biggest thing that keeps me going is the consistent fans, even through the base is small, they keep coming back. That shows me that something is there.

The thing that matters even more than the first, is the other artist friends I have that build me up when I make something. Even if there's some critique there, it's pretty important to me that I have friends that are also good at what they do, and are willing to offer compliments and help when needed. Of course reciprocating those ideals back is very important.

Another thing that helps me is comparing pieces done in the same year, and when I can see actual improvement, that's a great feeling.

Finally, I push myself to grow, and even when I don't feel like it, I keep going. Remember, feelings and emotions are fleeting, so it's important to just keep on trucking when the bad feelings are hitting hard. Eventually, I'll break free of those. So...I do art regardless of whether I'm happy or sad, I always at least try to put pen to paper.

Just try so hard and learn everything from the start. I was not an artist at the very beginning. The only thing I could remember about my terrible past is that I could not even draw a proper human in a paper. My art sucks and whenever I posted them on Facebook, I got laughing at. So I buried myself in the room, spent more than 14 hours per day just to learn how to draw human poses on YouTube. Believe me, your final result will redeem all the hardship, time and effort you've put in. Now i am working for a few manga artists and korean comic artists, though I am not from artistic area and do not study digital painting in university. Just try your best, imrpove the artline day by day, your readers will notice that. Wish you best luck!

I like your art. Very Charles Addams.
If you're mostly interested in telling stories, try writing for a while.
And the usual advice applies for this site : vertical scrolling format, color,..Supposedly it can make a big difference.
Either way, going around and comparing yourself to others on here....let's just say I haven't found it to be very productive. The sheer number of people better than me at this who somehow have less subs, and the even larger number of comics who's single comments have more likes than my comic has views....I don't think focusing on that is going to help me much.

Why you beating yourself up for not being able to compete with companies and their advertising budgets? You think the Internet was made for small artists and not big businesses? Like who am you even comparing yourself to? Me trying to be supportive but c'mon.

Honestly just be more like me, a person who literally doesn’t care what others think of me.

Wow, this sounds exactly like something I would've written 2 or 3 years ago...not because it's juvenile or anything, but because I wasn't cynical yet then. At this point, I've moved past despair to a sort of productive numbness, occasionally interrupted by temporary bouts of apathy. It's almost not even worth complaining anymore. Almost. ^^;

This is going to sound tired and cliche'd, but...I don't think there's any way around just having your own reasons to love what you do. Think about the magic you experienced when you were first coming up with your stories and characters, especially your most important ones...think about how much you liked to create even before all these torturous numbers came into the mix.

...I'm assuming this is going to create positive feelings. ^^; But whether it does or it doesn't, it's something you have to think about: If the internet suddenly disappeared, would you keep writing/drawing? If the answer is yes, then you might as well keep posting; you've got nothing to lose. If the answer is no...then tbh, I think you should consider other options. If there's nothing inside you to keep the spark alive, things are only going to get harder and sadder.

...I've actually never had this problem; I've always liked my art (even when it was bad). Which honestly makes it worse; it's one thing to be upset that no one likes your work when you feel it may or may not be worth liking. If no one likes your work but you think it's perfection incarnate, that's a whole other bag of beans...

To actually answer the question, though...I dunno, I kinda try to think about all the artists and authors before me who were never recognized during their time. I think Van Gogh only sold one painting while he was alive (and what a miserable life...). But was he good regardless? Hell yes.

Yeah, that's another one I can't really relate to...but I guess I'd recommend looking back on your old goals. Like when I was a kid, I used to save screenshots of anime art I really liked and go "someday, I'll be able to draw as good as that".

Today I look at 'em and they don't even inspire me anymore. Not because I now realize they're actually bad or anything (well, some of them are) but because I'm just so comfortable with the way I've grown and with what I do that my old ideas of the heights I "needed" to reach are just...not relevant anymore.

That's a source of pride, I guess. ^^;

'______'....

...Shoot, I never figured that one out...

...Well, my own self-esteem saves me again here, kinda, because I don't think I could ever think of myself as a "worthless artist". For me, the worst-case scenario is 'dying with my genius completely unrecognized by the ignorant masses'. It still really sucks, but at least I'll always be on my side. ^^;

However, that doesn't automatically make it easier to live with...I'm already getting badly depressed about my situation, and I'm still young. I still have school to fall back on as an excuse, even; what's gonna happen to my brain when I have ALL my free time available to give to my projects and I still get '60 views, 30 likes, 0 comments'?? The future looks kinda scary...

...I dunno. Maybe I'll never make it. But in the end, I'll at least know that I tried. At least I didn't waste my whole life wishing instead of taking a chance. At least I gave my characters a chance to be known and loved by people besides me. And at least the few readers that did enjoy my work got to benefit from it, even if I'll never know how much.

And at least I had some fun. That's the most important thing; knowing that it wasn't just suffering from beginning to end. There were high points...and no matter what happens in the future, I'm sure there'll be more.

It's understandable to be tired an impatient. I've been there many times. And in my current state of what some might argue is a reasonable amount of popularity -- some won't believe me when I say I'm constantly anxious about how people will take my stories.

The thing is. I put my desires into action and keep doing the things that I've noticed in the past has worked and stop doing the things that don't work. I lean in to things I enjoy making and learnt to make it well.

When I'm busy actually just telling the story I want to tell, it distracts me from worrying about what others think of it. People want to hear confident and honestly told stories. They will respect a creator who is unwavering in their belief of their own story--whether or not they enjoy the story itself.

And that takes consistent work. Not stop and go, not overworking, not changing methods to find a shortcut-- It's the grinding daily work of finishing what you choose to start and placing it where people can see it. Then move on to the next thing.

How to keep believing in yourself when there's hardly anyone else who does? Because you cannot rely on anyone to do your believing for you.

Because the future is unknown, in combination with studying your craft and continuing to finish pieces of work, a creator has to cultivate an enduring faith in their ability to express them self through their craft.

For me, I just have to believe I can tell a complete story, because I've done it before and every time i sit down to work I deliberately try to get a little bit better at whatever I'm doing.

How to like your art when nobody knows or cares it exists? Disregard what "others" like and make what you love. Be honest with yourself. Are you really making art or story that You personally want to exist in the world or are you making it to get others attention?

People will care if you share with them something honest and genuine. Art is a reflection of the artist who made it. And this takes a bit of courage. I'm consistently anxious about how people will receive my work--but i am honest with myself that I really badly want the story and art to exist and no one will do it for me.

That people enjoy my work is a bonus. I prioritize MY enjoyment of the story--bolstered of course with always learning how best to execute it so others am can receive what I'm trying to communicate with them.

How to be proud of your improvement even though there isn't an increase in your popularity to go with it?
There is rarely a one to one correlation between improvement and attention given (Popularity is nothing more than a measure of how much attention is given to something).

Measure yourself to your past self's finished work. Both technically in terms of skills but also any external feedback growth. It has to be a frank and honest accounting. If you find you're doing a lot of the same actions and same thinking for a while and its not bringing results then it's a problem with your actions not the feedback. And sometimes after trying something new you have to stick with it long enough to see a pattern in the feedback and keep doing more of the stuff that you notice is growing however marginally because that's how you weed away the methods that you notice aren't working.

The only things I'm proud of are the things I've finished. It's when you focus on what you can control that you can shift away from relying on external uncontrollable factors to feel good. I don't give any external thing the right to affect me mentally unless I allow it. I can't control external feedback, and it can't control my decisions--but it can inform them.

How to avoid finding yourself worthless as an artist because you know you will never make it.
Two things. Don't assume you'll never make it. If you think you can or think you cant. You're right. Your beliefs dictates your actions. Your actions have consequences outside your control. If you begin from the assumption you won't make it, you'll act in a manner that expresses that and that is exactly the reason why you won't.

Second. Shift from avoiding feeling worthless to reaching for something worthwhile. This goes back to creating what you love.

Your art is a reflection of you. You have a unique worldview. Don't be afraid to express it. Figure out what you want to exist in the world and make that. Make it because you feel strongly that it must exist and no one is willing to do it but you.

My answers aren't easy and I don't expect anyone to take them. I can only say that it's this manner of taking responsibility for my art and storytelling that has worked for me.

Ugh! I feel this!
There's nothing quite like working your butt off on an art piece for a week and being so excited to show others only to have nobody take an interest. I mean, art is my therapy, my hobby, my favorite activity, but that doesn't mean it doesn't sting when my hard work gets ignored.
I know I suck at the whole social media aspect. Quite frankly I HATE it. I hate the time it takes away from doing art. I hate how it feels like shouting into a void. I hate how it feels so transactional. "I'll share your stuff it you share mine!" I have to set a daily reminder to post my artwork of the day cause I find it so disheartening.
I am horrible at making art friend too. I try. I've never been good at making friends. That's WHY I have a webcomic.

I dunno to be honest, I just know at the bottom of my heart my storytelling is good enough, plus I sorta like the challenge trying to get people to acknowledge my skills, so I think you maybe you gotta find out your strongest point n develop it n pour some confidence n ego into it

Hi! I'm exactly in the same situation as yours! I've working on my webcomics for about a year and barely get 4 views per chapter, maybe 10 as much, no comments, sometimes a like or two. I mean, I appreciate those readers who are still there, but sometimes it feels quite lonely there...

Now, to answer your questions:
How to keep believing in yourself when there's hardly anyone else who does?
Well, I actually just stopped believing and shrug it off? What I mean is, considering how unpopular I am and how no matter how hard I try, how much I improve I don't seem to get anywhere, I have ended up considering I may not be able to make a living out of comics. But I guess that's...fine? I mean, I still want to keep creating my comics simply because I love it and even if it is only me, myself, reading them, because comics are my life and I love making them. So I have considered other options to make a living while working on my webcomics at the same time.

I know maybe this is not what you may want to read, but, I think it is fine... the fact that you are not making money out of your work doesn't mean it is bad. Sometimes it is a matter of trends, of what's popular now, of what people want to read right now and somehow we may have a story that simply doesn't go with the flow.
Like many friends have told me that my story is not bad, but that is way too "peculiar", not in a bad way, but just way too "peculiar". Of course, that makes it difficult to be found.
But who knows? Maybe in a year or two or in ten years or more someone would appreciate it for what it is??

How to like your art when nobody knows or cares it exists?
Well, I just feel like if I enjoy making it, that's enough. I am an artist since the moment I create art even if nobody cares about it. Yeah, there are times I feel discouraged as well, but it's ok, it's ok if nobody cares as long as you care.

How to be proud of your improvement even though there isn't an increase in your popularity to go with it?
Sometimes things go the other way around. I put my case as an example. I used to draw anime style, more specific, shojo manga style. I didn't have a huge fanbase, but at least there were a couple of likes here and there. Now, as I developed my own unique style, I lost all those people and now I have no fanbase at all, just a couple of my friends who say they like my drawings. But yeah, as I said before, I think it is a matter of what's trendy. If not, just look at the front page of any webcomics site, see what's popular, see the similarities.

How to avoid finding yourself worthless as an artist because you know you will never make it?
Because you are already a worthy artist since the moment you create. And it's ok if art is not your main income. What I mean is, it's not all about making money or being popular. As long as you are creating, you are already a successful artist.

I hope my answers help you somehow...at least this is what I tell myself as an also unpopular artist.

Thank you all for taking your time to reply!
None of these replies contain a quick solution to my problem (which is feeling worthless as a creator because there's very little probability I'll ever "make it") but yeah it's not something that one can give a magical quick fix to and I did not really expect to be given one.

I don't have a fanbase, other than a few (really, very few) friends/mutuals who like my stuff on tumblr&twitter. I am grateful for them - without them I'd be really shouting into the void - but this isn't the point where I want to stay for years...
I'm not actually that concerned with my comic not getting traffic - I was when I was actually posting it, but now I think the only way for any series I post to get really out there is to be already popular. and here we go again...

@talkative I know I should always strive to improve, I just question if there's a point in working so hard, since my amount of traffic won't change. and haha wish I could draw 14 hours a day but it's impossible for me.

@snowy Thank you! Welp, my actual writing skill (as in, distinct from storytelling) is honestly very poor, made worse with how English isn't my native language. I don't think I could carry a story on my writing skill alone, and that's why I draw. :"))

@33rdCenturyCaveman well I'm not aiming to compete with big companies or the super-popular patreon artists who make thousands of $$$/month. I know there's too much competition for small artists to get known unless they get lucky, and that's where my problem is.

@DokiDokiTsuna

I wish I could go back to that time when I could create just for the sake of it but that door has closed forever :pensive:
If the internet disappeared, I would most definitely keep on creating, and I could live without posting my work online - but when I try to not do it, I feel guilty about it because I can't ever get popular if I post 3 times a year...

alright this got a bunch of replies so i'm gonna reply to some other posts later...

I'm not sure how useful my perspective will be since we seem to have rather different philosophies, but I'll give it a shot anyways :sweat_smile: In short I can 100% empathize with where you're coming from. I don't dwell on it much but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I wish my work had more reach than it does currently. Buuuut what keeps my mind off of that are two things:

1.) I fully understand that my art, while not bad, has a looooong ways to go before it'll be at a caliber that will draw that kind of attention probably. &

2.) I just approach art for fun/as a hobby, so the lows aren't as low as someone pursuing it professionally and falling short I would imagine, while the highs are just as high.

Reading passages like this is exactly why I evaluated what I wanted to do when I was approaching the end of highschool and decided that being an artist wasn't for me:

I don't envy that at all, sounds stressful as heck :frowning: I knew that I didn't want to fight tooth and nail to make it in a hyper competitive market such as art, or even more specifically comics, so I ended up investigating other career paths instead... with that said,

In part because I have my own agenda and goals to accomplish, and while external affirmation feels good I don't need it to work towards said goals, and in part because even though they may not be massive in number, there are people who believe in me so I like to keep working hard for them too :slight_smile:

Since this is largely entertainment for me, I make sure to always be working on something that I have fun drawing... so liking it isn't hard! I get frustrated when things don't turn out right, or when I post something and it gets very little feedback, but it's just motivation to work harder next time.

Cuz improvement is like... awesome! And steps towards appealing to more people! Seeing noticeable breakthroughs in skill gets me pumped up to draw even more. And realistically even if that step isn't the one that gets a following... it's a step in the right direction nonetheless.

I feel like this depends on what your "it" is. For me, I know that I'll make "it" because it is simply continuing to improve my craft and making sure that the next illustration or comic is even better than the last! I see that improvement each step of the way so there's no way I'll not get there. However if my "it" was something like "make a comic that gets super popular" or "get X followers by 2021" or "make X dollars a year off of just art"... then i dunno. I try to avoid setting goals like those because they're so far out of your control until you actually get there LOL it's a good way to set yourself up for disappointment imo. All you can really do is continue striving to improve and settle on reasonable goals that you have authority over.


An unsolicited piece of more specific advice: I stalked your Tapas profile and found your twitter and... am shocked that someone with a pretty cool art style and who posts semi-frequently doesn't have more followers, tbh. I notice you barely ever use hashtags- maybe try sprinkling more of those in? I feel like it's hard-if-not-impossible for people who aren't already following you to find your posts if you don't tag them lol. That may well be part of the problem, on that platform at least.

Best of luck moving forward!

I see your comic has 67 subscribers. My main comic has 79, so not much different.

From my personal experience... I started working seriously on a comic starting in 2007 and had about the same amount of engagement then as I do now. I'd get a new sub here and there and usually 1-3 comments per update. And then I became addicted to an MMO and took an unexpected 2 year hiatus. From that I can tell you, please don't take a hiatus if you can avoid it. If you can work through this difficult time and break through it, it will be worth it.

The hiatus I took caused me shame and I still regret it to this day. I wouldn't say this would happen to you though. Our situations are obviously completely different. But that feeling of shame and regret is now what drives me to keep drawing.

Not only that, but I also lost all of my active readers. I had to start again at basically zero which is why I'm still at the same amount as before.

You probably wouldn't believe that these two pages are by the same person:

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And I just think... I could have been at that most recent page 2 years sooner had I kept drawing. Looking at your drawings now, it is even better than where I was in 2007 so you have a much better starting point. The best way to get better is by drawing a lot and also study a lot. When I was in college, I did a lot of gesture drawing and some still life drawings (god, I hated them though) that helped improve my art. But also just studying different techniques and applying what I have learned as a graphic designer have helped. I also started collecting references of drawings I like as inspiration for my own comic.

If you don't mind me saying, I do see some things more on the objective side that may help with improving your art right away. I will put it behind the spoiler here in case you aren't looking for some feedback and can just ignore.

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The sketchiness is not necessarily a bad thing, but it may be worth exploring single stroke lines and seeing how it looks. I think it would make the artwork look more refined. Another thing is making the backgrounds as straight lines rather than sketches. It's more work, but usually worth it in the end. Backgrounds are difficult and time consuming, but they can really help make a panel/page stand out.

I would recommend putting more space for the horizontal gutters. The panels look a bit too squished together. Also, a bit more blank area around the page itself. You may also want to consider breaking it up into vertical format for Tapas since most readers seem to prefer it.

I think your panel layout is really good. You have a good eye for pacing and things make sense which is great. What could benefit is more hierarchy of the panels. For example, on page 39, the shocked look of the girl seems really important but she's about the same size as the two other characters which distracts from her expression. They're less important, they can be smaller. The same with the building on page 37. I feel the silhouettes of the characters are competing a bit with the building. You can also make some badass looking tress in the background. Check this out for how to draw badass trees easily: https://twitter.com/hanari0716/status/1245660723583184896 This Twitter also has a lot of great tutorials on it.

I think the most important things are... don't give up. Learn from others, don't compare to others. Have a back up plan. Like, I learned graphic design since I knew being a pro comic artist would take forever. I'm 34 now. The only reason I'm here is stubbornness.

Graphic design is a great thing to learn since graphic design and comics are basically the same thing. They are all about the absolute clearest communication between creator and audience.

Always look around for a new technique you can try. Don't settle on anything. Try to draw something every day, if you can. Try to draw meaningful things. Do studies of things. Look around and think about how you would draw something.

In 2022, you'll think "Wow, look at this artwork I have done now. Myself from 2020 couldn't even imagine doing this." And the same thing will happen again and again.

You really have to do it for yourself first.

There are clearly a lot of people here who know you can do it. You can see that you have a clear understanding for creating art. I think you are only lacking experience and drive. Do it. You can become incredible.

One of the big issues I'm seeing more and more is we tend to put a value on our work based on a number given to us by a website that has it's own motives rather than turning to people we trust (like teachers, family, friends, or clients) for their input. The problem with that is each website has a brand, and the people on that website are ONLY looking for that brand. So instead of seeing these platforms as a proof of your validity, see it instead as a publisher that has it's own focus and it's own agenda.

If your project gets rejected, it's the same as sending a project into a publisher and getting that rejection letter. It happens. It happens to all of us. And always remember that Tapas could be gone in 10 years. Think back to Myspace, think back to Neopets, think back to LJ--these sites come and go. The art you make is forever.

So to answer your questions, because I've had so many years of feeling similar feelings (my comic has just one less sub than yours so we're in the same pool :slight_smile: )

How to keep believing in yourself when there's hardly anyone else who does?

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I think it's important to remember the value of a human being. The numbers artists deal with nowadays are in the expectations of 10,000's. That is like...the size of a small city. At no other point in history has an individual visual artist had to drum up that type of following all alone outside of like...modern art and theater. So, don't stress out if it hasn't happened yet. It's extremely unnatural to do and is not normal. This doesn't just happen--it takes so much time and targeted marketing.

From watching others, I've found that having higher numbers does not mean that those artists are magically cured of their insecurities. If you have insecurities now...it will still happen when you go viral. Now I'm not saying that it's bad to be viral--it would help us out a great deal if it was easier to make a dollar OMG, we would all benefit from that. But, those insecurities will still be there. That's just how insecurities work. They never really go away.

So I try to remind myself, when I'm feeling bad about numbers, that in terms of making money and getting hired, you're going to find yourself in an interview one day, and that interview will be with one person. Just one. That will be the only person who matters. If you're interested in going premium on tapas, if that is your goal, then guess what? You have a slightly larger team of like...10 people who will matter. If you're sending something to an editor at a magazine or a brick and mortar-- then that's the only person that matters.

It's a lot less overwhelming to work on a project when you already know WHO you're going to pitch it to, and to make sure that it's not a number of like...half the planet, youknow? I can't make 10,000+ people happy. I can't comprehend that many people. But, can I make a single client happy? Yes, I can. I can do this.

Now I still care that I don't have a ton of followers, but at the same time, I'm well aware that the only numbers that matter are the ones that know me and hire me. When you realize that, you make those followers you have feel a lot more valued. One might buy your stuff. One might have really good input. You really just never know who's watching.

I remember I made a patreon back in the day (inactive now, I don't have the time) and I figured no one would join--but immediately I got a donor, and it wasn't from my social media sites with 700+ followers, it was from my twitch account with 15 followers where I only streamed art once a week. You just never know where the people who actually care will come from.

How to like your art when nobody knows or cares it exists?

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When it comes to my art, I'm making my own comic not because of it's views (it has very few) but I'm making this comic because I want to read my comic just the way it is. I'm excited to make this weird ass thing real, and making it is this fun experimental sandbox feeling because no one really reads it, so I can do whatever the hell I want. I'm making it because no one else is, and if I found someone else making a comic just like mine, I'd slam that delete button and just read theirs so I don't have to do all of this work.

But another reason is because I know the works I make after this will be that much better. It's easier with paintings and illustrations to just move on from a project when it doesn't pan out--because you can make a new painting every day. I think that mentality helps me a great deal when it comes to comics. I'm used to making things no one sees, because 1/1000 will get seen, and will get viral. But, you just have to keep trying new things, keep learning things, keep on swimming when you make duds. Everyone makes mostly duds, but are only known for their popular works.

How to be proud of your improvement even though there isn't an increase in your popularity to go with it?

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So when I was starting art I was very bad compared to everyone around me because I didn't get serious until college. Something I learned was that I needed to focus on what I did well in every painting I did in order to not get blindsided by the competition.

If you are making pieces just for online numbers, that does not mean you're making improvements. Works we do to improve are rarely that interesting to get views and followers, that's just kind of how it is. Doing studies of hands, or paint strokes, or getting better at comics even, is a long and kind of boring looking process. It's important--you have to do it--but popularity posts are different from improvement posts.

Like I think my most popular post was getting a retweet of a painting I made of DiPiglio from Chris Fleming. I was very thankful and am eternally grateful to him. But youknow what? It was one of my worst works. Sure it got viral but like...wish he did something I actually put time and effort into, youknow? But eh, that's how viral stuff works!

How to avoid finding yourself worthless as an artist because you know you will never make it?

Summary

Something you have to avoid when it comes to anxiety or depression or any of the big scary mental illnesses that artists have to deal with because we have to put ourselves out there all the time, is to avoid all-encompassing phrases that are absolutes. Saying something like "worthless" or "never" is one of those phrases where if you catch yourself thinking it, you have to talk back to yourself. I have insomnia problems so I have to do this in the day, because at night-time I am too tired to talk back. So I memorize answers to say to myself when I am sleepy and feeling futile.

So how to you talk back to "never?" For me, it's because "never" is statistically impossible. Me, I'm in my 30's. I have a lot of life left to live. I have a lot more stories to write and to improve with. To say "never" is a fallacy. That is just my borked brain talking.

And then to talk back to "worthless" I remind myself that art is just a job. You're gonna have a lot of jobs. I had really bad carpal tunnel that made it so I couldn't do art for a year. I had to redefine myself not as an "artist" but as...me. That was hard, but it was really good for me to see that...there's a LOT of life outside of art. It's just one facet of what we do in a very niche community. You do so much that has worth.

Another thing to help with imposter syndrome, is to write down every single nice comment you get about your work. Keep that somewhere where you can look at it, and you'll see that there's...so many things we forget in our times when we're feeling down.

There's a Cinderella story called Demon slayer or Kimetsu no yaiba. A manga who had been there for 4 years and it almost non-existent until the 2019 Anime, it explodes the popularity right of the bat.

Early art-style is very unlikable but it grew later on so i do believe if we don't give up our work, who knows if we become next popular soon.

My dream is getting Anime adaptation of my comic just like Tower of God and i won't giving up until that day happen. Keep it up and always believing yourself.

First of all - I'm kinda amazed how my post of me being overly dramatic, posted kinda on a whim, has amassed several in-depth responses, food for thought and advice! Thank y'all for taking your time to respond and your words of encouragement! The community here is really something different. I think this thread helped me sort out my feelings about online popularity and creative block, and I hope others who have similar problems will also be able to take something away from it.

You certainly are right to say this! I don't really enjoy creating these days, and that might be the roof of my problem. I really wish I could just simply draw what I love and draw for fun. There was a time when I could do that. But now, the anxiety combined with the constant nagging feeling that I need to do something that matters (when I do feel like drawing, it usually doesn't last long enough to produce any more complete work that'd actually feel like moving forward) drains me and results in me not even touching the sketchbook/tablet on most days.

Exactly, I hate how transactional and soulless it feels, and how it takes away energy I could spend on actually making art :weary:

@Dreams-of-Gaia Your mindset seems certainly healthier than mine, and it's great you're able to keep yourself going despite not getting a lot of attention :clap:

It's my goal to eventually do art for a living (though it is not very realistic lmao) because due to reasons I won't get into, I find it difficult to work a "real job". But it's not like it's really the only path I can take, I suppose (I have some other plans but only time will tell if I'll be able to realize them...), and I am stressing too much over it.

@Rhonder That's true, we seem to have different philosophy and a different definition of "making it" - but your input is valuable to me regardless and I kind of envy your mindset because I used to be more like that years ago and now can't seem to come back.
Also, thanks :blush: I haven't had seen much use for hashtags (they might give me 1-2 extra likes on a good day) but yeah you're probably right how my posts are hard to find.

@Cavechan Actually I've been on hiatus for a year now- :joy: (well, also because of story-related reasons, not just art) and this break is already longer than it should've been... I try to not think of how much I might regret that in the future, orz Your art improvement is amazing!
I don't mind feedback, I think you're making a lot of good points here! I'll keep those in mind when I'm working on comics again.

Fair point - I see it a lot with some artists I follow, and I suppose it would be similar with me...

That is true. I usually find myself stuck between the pressure to do potentially social media-popular works and the pressure to do studies/big pieces for potential improvement so I end up doing nothing :sweat_smile:

Three things I quick want to mention since most people have done a bang-up job with their responses is:

  1. YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER YOUR CONTENT
    -In the past, I've gotten criticism over the way my comics look (since their mostly hand drawn). Which is natural because a key part of why someone is invested in a series is because of its art style and how it differentiates compared to others. It doesn't have to be digital for it to great. Even if your art doesn't look the way you want it to, the point is that you're consistently putting more of your content out there. I'm not inclined to believe that there isn't at least 50 people who don't like what your putting out.

  2. KNOW AND ENGAGE WITH YOUR AUDIENCE
    -Obviously people don't subscribe to series that don't fit their niches. Contrary to what people think, if you advertise your series to other creators, you'll be surprised to find that others like your series, they just never knew where to look for it. The profile wall is there for a reason, use it as often as you need to so that you can let others know about future updates, I can't stress that enough.

  3. LEARN TO HAVE PERSEVERANCE
    -Remember that popularity doesn't happen overnight. You started your series two years ago. Think back to creators early on who had to wait decades to see a spike in the popularity of their series. If they never gave up, do me a favor and toss those negative mindsets in the garbage. Will you have days where no one pays attention to your comics in particular? Of course. However, you will have days where all of your subs read and pay attention to everything and you'll feel better about where you are currently, believe me. You can't get discouraged because like you, a lot of us are in the same boat.