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Er... I'm sorry, what exactly is the problem here?

I've seen a number of novelists both on the forums and discord using AI images for their covers. Now Tapas has said that AI is no longer allowed, so I thought it might be helpful to some people who maybe spend their time and creative energy focused on writing and haven't really looked so much into art or design to have access to resources recommended by those of us who spend more of our time on the visual side of things or perhaps have training in that area. Yes, most of us will be comic artists because comic artists love to draw and talk about art and visual stuff and often know a lot about making art quickly and cheaply- it's kind of our thing.

At no point has anyone said that no novelists know how to make art. And I don't think putting out some resources in a thread people are free to look at or ignore at their leisure qualifies as "unsolicited advice". It's not like I'm going up to specific novelists, shoving this thread in their face and saying "uh, listen, hun. You should maybe look at this resources, 'cause I'm not saying your cover is fugly but... well..." It's more like... I dunno, unsolicited making knowledge freely available?

If the thread isn't of use for you, it's probably because it's not for you. It's for people who were using AI because they don't have artistic training and who now feel frustrated or upset because they perhaps don't know where to start on making something of equal quality without that. This was meant to be a positive thread for artists (including artists who make novels rather than comics) to help those people out rather than shaming or laughing at them like "HAR HAR we told you not to use AI!" like a lot of people might expect us to. If you weren't even using AI and can draw just fine... like... great? Carry on doing that? This thread probably isn't for you.

  1. Just because someone can draw does not mean "most of us will be comic artists." In fact, most of us have been writing and drawing for years and know all about copy-rights, free image sourcing, and free resources. Again, novel covers didn't just randomly appear after AI art did.
  2. You didn't say creators. You said novelists. Specifically. Even though that AI art you've been seeing has been posted by all sorts of creators (novelists and comic artists alike)
  3. If this was something someone asked for and needs, that's fine. But assuming the poor, unknowing novelist just must need help~ is again, patronizing and unsolicited.

I'll continue to comment on a public forum, thanks. Since this was directed at novelists and I happen to be one. Unlike the majority of posters on this thread.

I thought the thread is for the new novelists that haven’t understand or don’t know about the site policies. I don’t think the thread is bad, but it may be good for the newer novelists who aren’t aware of the rules.

Novelists aren't the only ones using AI. Resources aren't bad. The fact that all of these resources keep being shoved at novelists only is my issue with it.

Please do not take this thread personally.

I'm pretty positive that no one here is trying to be negative or patronizing.

These are questions that pop up very often when novelists reach out to artists for help in concerns to this topic, I see no reason not to compile the information so novelists get all the resources that they need. Artists thought it would be helpful because they are often asked about stuff like this even before the topic of AI.

I would love to know what makes comic artists entitled to be the experts on novel covers? Especially when I've already stated that covers were made well before AI art using free resources. Why the thread now? :sip:

If you have an implicit bias that suggests that novelist aren't also artists, don't know what to do with covers now that AI art is ban, or need the help of their friendly-neighborhood comic artist then you are who I am annoyed with. Because novelist have been repeatedly belittled and ignored by the comic creators on Tapas and the platform as a whole until now.

And since as a novelist, I'm telling you all that this is more offensive then helpful, I would hope that you would listen instead of telling me it's not that deep.

Hey, you aren’t liking this thread because you put words in it no one said. There’s a handy button that lets you stop looking at this thread, 10/10 recommend it for when you don’t like something

I can't provide resources to help comic artists who use AI. If somebody is using AI to make a novel cover, it's usually because they're not trained or experienced in art, but need one decent image and probably aren't interested in learning the entirety of making visual art to do so.

Obviously, some novelists don't have this problem because they can draw just fine, and others may have the money to commission an artist. They also won't run into this issue. But from observation on the forums and discord, the most common reason novelists use AI is "I can't draw, I don't have the time to learn and I don't have money to commission an artist."

But comic artists? If somebody is using AI to make a comic, it's generally a choice, because they'd need to do so much editing to make it work, and it can't be resolved by knowing about a few resources. Those people literally just need to go and learn to draw or find a totally new pipeline for making pages (like 3D models, sprites or something). I can't help them in just a thread.

I can help people who don't normally make art, but need to make one decent looking image, but I can't so easily help somebody who needs to change their entire approach to making a form of storytelling composed largely of images.

Um... because we also make covers and have to compete in a more crowded market? Because we spend all day making art and have to be really efficient at it? I'm not just a comic artist. I've also spent years as a professional illustrator and had my work published by Penguin Randomhouse and stuff. I have done multiple commissions in the past for book covers specifically, and in my dayjob, I work on a children's book series IP published by Walker Books, which includes giving feedback on book covers and giving feedback to book illustrators. Nowhere in this thread did it even say "Comic artists! Give advice to the poor little novelists!" it's just that comic artists were mostly the ones who decided to help! Nothing is stopping novelists from helping out here, and honestly I'd encourage it!

The thread is happening now because Tapas literally just said that AI covers are being banned and people who have them need to make new covers. I know some novelists are unaffected by this, but I don't think anyone ever said all novelists are.

Now if you want to give advice as a novelist who makes covers, please, you'd be very welcome to, but if not, kindly leave the thread so it can either be of use or sink into the depths of the forum naturally if people aren't finding it useful and choose not to engage with it.

Because the topic has been popping up a lot in discords since the ban? So having a thread in the tapas forums just seems like the best way to share the information without having to repeat it or with it getting lost in the chat.

Honestly it's been pretty helpful for me for when I have to do novel covers, I'm an artist but the requirements for novel covers are not the same as the requirements for comics and comic covers, so the process and even the styles and looks that novel readers prefer as compared to comics is a little different and having easy access to the resource is nice for me cause I don't have to scroll through chats looking for the links sent to me about it.

Artists often make resource dumps like this for other artists as well, we'll have whole threads or even just whole discord servers just for photoshop/CSP brushes, and nothing about that is condescending to other artists. Easy access to resources just makes everyone life easier, and gatekeeping tools, references, resources or 'how to's' generally isn't a very common thing for artists to do.

I feel like this is a thread for younger novelists or people who are just starting out to find resources. Maybe the thread should be reworked to comic creators who do use AI. But I haven’t heard of comic artists who use AI on Tapas, not that I know of.

I'm sure those were a lot of good words, but all I'm asking is for the original post to say "creators" instead of "novelists." Because at the end of the day we're all saying the same things: this is helpful to everyone and resources are good.

There are whole lawsuits about AI comics. And covers aren't only things novelists need. Even using AI art as a background is now also in question.

Jeez mate, you could have just asked nicely if that's all you wanted instead of getting in such a flap about it. Yes, I can change that no problem and will do so right now. Just say "Please could you change this, I think it'd feel more inclusive if you worded it this way." Next time and I think you'll find a lot more success at persuading people.

Dude.. you were a bit.. How do I say this nicely
Demanding and extremely rude and didn’t say what you meant. Manners go a long way

Because for some reason I'm still being tagged even though this was resolved?

My first message to this thread:

So... you're all novelists now? Or was this meant to say "free resources for creators"?

Edit: I'm begging you all. Novelists have been making covers on this platform long before AI art was even a thing. Please stop being patronizing and offering unsolicited advice.

And I said exactly the same thing over and over again in every message. So, again, don't tone police me.

Composition is really important for cover images. If you're using a stock photo, most of this will probably be covered for you, but if you have elements that you want to move around, you want to make sure that the important ones are in a place where it catches the reader's eye. I think this post does a good job of explaining it:

Also, this is going to sound obvious, but make sure you have space for your title. I almost messed this up on mine. I was originally going to leave it at this, but I realized I have a lot to say about titles.

The color of your title is important. It needs to not clash with the rest of the image. My general rule of thumb for any picture is to have a color scheme of 3-5 main colors. The main colors in this picture, for instance, are blue, yellow, and orange. Purple doesn't fit in at all, and while there's some green in the rest of the picture, it's not really ideal for this title. Also, the purple on "quest" is very dark with a dark outline and a dark background, making it hard to read.

Note: Black, white, and sometimes grey are neutral colors and will work with pretty much any color scheme.

This is my previous cover and logo. The colors are mostly okay (I don't think that gold color on the stars fits with the rest that well), but it still clashes with the rest of the image. This logo is very small and not readable on a thumbnail or smaller screen. It's also very sharp and squarish compared to my current, more rounded style. It doesn't fit the vibe of the image or the story, which is an important thing to take into consideration when you're choosing a title font!

This is my current cover/logo combination for comparison. This title is hand-drawn, and I like it, but honestly, it took a lot of workshopping and there's a lot that can go wrong. Luckily, drawing a title by hand isn't the only way you can personalize it!

You can do a lot with fonts and an image editor. I personally use Photopea, a free, browser-based art program that someone already linked to above. Since Photopea is modeled after Photoshop, a lot of Photoshop tutorials work for it. Like this one, for how to edit letters in a font.

I think I referenced this video when making the title text for this. "Stargazing" was a font, but I elongated the S and the tails on the Gs, among some other little flourishes like drawing stars and stuff. You don't always have to edit a font, though. The text above "Stargazing" isn't edited at all. However, it's generally best not to use a common font like Ariel, Times New Roman, or Comic Sans. Photopea comes with a lot of fonts I've never seen before. Another reason to use it!

If you have a title color that's too light for the background and don't want to change it, adding a dark border can really help. Or vice-versa!

Photoshop/Photopea directions for a quick border around your title logo:
Click on the layer with your logo, go to the top menu bar and select Layer > Layer Style > Stroke. That should take you to a window that lets you edit the border color, size, and some other things.

I think that's about all I have to say for now. Hopefully these are some relatively quick tips that you can do without needing to know how to draw.

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