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I'm curious now at what amount of cursing is considered profanity befitting a M label?

Is it cursing in just English? Cursing in a made-up language? Cursing not in English - since our community does include French, Spanish and Portugese just to name a few I've seen in the lists while browsing.

And then what's the line? Is "sh*t" okay but not "f*ck"? Is "turd" okay but not "derp"? Is "oh my god" okay but "what the heck" isn't? Both of the last examples "omg" and "heck" are censored on a site I've been on as in line with profanity.

Or are we following movie rules where you get one free "f*ck*" before it needs an R label slapped on?

Ratique answered this earlier, quoting her:

It is up to your discretion to decide when a mature label is warranted. If you think your audience would be comfortable, fine, if you think they would find it shocking/alarming, label.

I feel like another thing that should be considered as a check mark is Animal abuse or violence towards animals.

I was marking every episode with the F word mature, but went back to change this, because it hid the actually mature episodes and confused readers. Now I simply have a note in the novel and first episode descriptions to indicate that it does include some mature language and I allow my MC a few f-bombs before marking it mature.

I also have cursing in Canadian-French, mainly blasphemous slang, and I follow the same rule. If it becomes excessive, I mark it.

How was this hidden? Did the episode not show up at all?

Hello! Why is "mental health issues" under mature content? I understand if it'd be because of triggering content, but what about a work that has discussions of mental health? Would that still need to be under mature content? Or would the warning only be used on chapters where there are possible triggers like a character having a panic attack or suffering from depressive thoughts? Just wanted to clear the doubt about this as to not use it incorrectly.

you are the one who is putting a filter on the update, so it's up for you to decide.

No. Poor choice of words I guess. I meant that my readers expected actual mature content - sex, abuse, assault, etc. And the vast majority were only because of a couple of F-words. So it wasn't clear which episodes actually had mature content. I always put content/trigger warnings at the top if I need it, but almost all of my episodes had a little red M and a mature warning. It seemed misleading for my audience. I cleaned it up so now it is obvious which episodes have mature or uncomfortable content.

I hate having to bump this again, but several work days have passed now and not only is the issue still not fixed, but I see the app has been updated to actually show the reasons we choose to readers (something it didn't do before).

So the problem of specific inclusion of rape and consensual sexual content in the same category is now larger than before, when it should have been the other way around.

Hola!

Sorry it's taking some time. Each feature (including changes) go through a process of testing, so while other features were already approved, this was being worked on still. Updates for this feature should be made available by the end of this week. (Edit: Unless something breaks.)

Side question:

Are we expected to go back and adjust our Mature warnings to fit these categories?
Like if we have say.... 10 uploads that are marked mature, but they're buried back like, 100 episodes ago so it'll take a bit to scroll/load to them, are we required to go back and specifically mark "this is mature because it has cussing and suicidal thoughts"?

I wouldn't think so, but I'm also super lazy and not wanting to dig back to the few chapters that are marked mature on my long novel.

I might get this all wrong but there might be a backfire of the mature tag we need to know about.
I only think it is super fair that we have it and that the readers can get a warning.
As a creator I assume that readers will skip/ignore that specific update and wait for the next one and read the comic onwards.
But they might jump off the entire series when the get the warning and thinking "oh no this series is hardcore porn from this point, help!"

Why I'm taking this up is because I experience something following @carloswebcomic https://tapas.io/series/PetSuccubus/4
The comic has sexual adult humor but newer cross the line IMO.
The nudity and sex display is just like a walk on the beach showing bikinis'. And for some that is mature and for some not, but the comic has a big following and 300 episodes like this with no complains.

But after the latest update, with no more displays than usually, Carlos made an Mature tag and now experience loss of subs.
My guess is that readers get scared of the tag and flee without even see what caused the tag.

This is not me being ageist the tag but a guess and an observation and an assumed experience of how to use or not to use the tag.

What do you think Carlos?

I forgot I had tagged it as mature!!
Actually, that makes a lot of sense!

Well, I've been kicked in the face so much by different platforms that now I'm being overly cautious.

Next one I should leave the tag off and see what happens.
I wonder if my subs will return?

I have started including an intro episode for anything I write now. I have a current light novel and the first chapter has some violence, but the story is actually more slice-of-life family/romance and fairly light. I found that a bunch of people were reading the first half-episode and leaving. I put info in the description, but I'm pretty sure no one really reads that, so now I give a "what to expect" as an introduction, including warnings and triggers. That way they can decide if they want to read it right away, instead of making assumptions based on the first 900-whatever words, or reading and then dropping because it wasn't what they expected. Also, since it's a new episode, your current subscribers still get notified - I know I had a bunch go in and read it even though they were already 18 episodes in.

I only did it a couple weeks ago, but my percentage of people leaving after the first half-episode has decreased. It's not like my writing got any better, and my genre didn't change, so I'm going to assume that helped at least a little.

Maybe sending out something to subscribers, or posting something in the latest episode, to tell them of the changes and that the actual comic will not have a change in content? I do agree with what others have said, though - it would be nice for comic artists especially to be able to distinguish between nudity and sexual content. But even "sexual content" is vague, so ultimately it still has to be up to the author...

The problem is that vague wording leaves you open to getting screwed over.

I’m debating this with my team atm.
And I feel that having my own top text explaining in my words what the reader is about to experience is way better than give them a smack block with a warning that could be read as equal to horror and porn.

I wish to inform but I wish to inform with my word

I don't know if this has been mentioned. I've been skimming as best as I can.

In case it has not:

Potential Disturbing Imagery / Reader Discretion is Advised -- or something of the like.

I'm not certain on how to say it, but I say it because I have an episode where the medic-character has to intervene and perform some medical things (chest compressions and trying to find what the person had choked on) while that doesn't really need the MATURE tag, I did so anyway, b/c I understand that might be deeply triggering to someone. Even if you don't know how badly that can affect you, watching someone get pounded on to the point their ribs have to crack, is an experience. But, it's not Physical Violence. It's medicine.

I'm not saying that MEDICAL should have a tag, I'm just wondering if something that could help cover the other areas.

Potentially Upsetting --and the whatnot.

I have a very sensitive daughter and I wish to keep her safe. But I do not see this as the world's problem or responsibility, it is mine!

This new panic culture thing is getting out of hand.

I understand that Tapas has to provide the tool fo us to warn the readers and there must be some rating system. But it is a hard balance. Even different countries have different ratings on the back of Blue-Ray discs. And it must be weird for that movie that it can sell to a wider audience in different countries. It is still the same movie with the same content.