Preferred Gender Pronouns

[Kura]

sigh...

https://education.alberta.ca/media/1626737/91383-attachment-1-guidelines-final.pdf

I live in Alberta. There is no such ban. I believe that this is the document in question where the biggot that made these accusations pulled the claim from, and even when reading through the entire thing the closest thing I found to anything regarding that was "Example of best practice in action." Not a requirement or ban, but a suggestion and what was the most ideal practice. It was also for documentation and writing.

School forms, websites,letters, and other communications usenon-genderedand inclusive language (e.g., parents/guardians,caregivers,families, partners, “student” or “their” instead of Mr., Ms., Mrs., mother, father, him,her, etc.).

The paragraph right under was this.

Staff use appropriate language to acknowledge and communicate with families. If unsure of the appropriate language,they ask the family for guidance (e.g., how children refer to their parents and/or their parents’ partners).

If they want to be called mom and dad, then that is how to refer to them. If you're unsure ask. There was nothing on banning any pronouns or gender specific titles.

[mac]

idk if y'all realized this but...........

all pronouns are made up,,,, every single word is made up,,,,, god didnt hand moses a dictionary along w/ th ten commandments (if ur christian) we didnt find a fully fledged thought out dictionary in some neanderthals living space,,,,, every word that u see today probably hasnt existed at one point so to shun neopronouns as """""made up""""" is flat out malarkey lol might as well shun ppl usin he and she pronouns too if we're gonna go that route

[scythe]

I was waiting for that one to pop up. Sorry to be blunt, but grammar aside, your line of reasoning lacks sophistication. Think it through and take it to its logical conclusion.

[mac]

okay i get it,,,, you dont have a counter argument so you attack my casual tone,,, i get it ',:)c anyway this isnt the right website to be starting discourse,,, shunning neoprounouns because you think theyre made up is illogical because literally every darn pronoun has been made up,,,

[scythe]

Yeah, I took a swipe, I couldn't help myself. But I don't think it changes the substance of what I'm saying. I've come across plenty of arguments for advocating what you call neopronouns, I don't agree with them, but I recognise that they're arguments nonetheless, and most of the time come from a desire to make the best of the situation. I'm simply saying that yours isn't an argument, but more akin to a red herring. What your saying falls into the category of a technically true/actually false statement. Putting he/she next to ze/xir and saying, "Well, they're both technically made up", is a false equivalence and belongs more in a discussion about how language is formed than whether this trend of choosing your own word to describe your identity is valid or not. Of course it's true certain words do get 'made-up' and are added to the lexicon all the time, and yes, words fall in and out of favour, but there is no precedent for a fundamental shift such as what these new pronouns would constitute.

Also, I do think this is a perfect place to have this discussion, since it's a topic that's so important to so many comic creators, and is relevant to the kinds of stories we write and the language use. Besides, I don't think we could have it anywhere without rubbing some people the wrong way on both sides of the fence. That's just an inevitability. But I didn't involve myself in this conversation just to lose friends and alienate people. This is a just small part of a larger discussion happening all over the world that I have strong opinions on, as do not doubt many others who would disagree with me.

[mac]

...and now you're arguing a point that isnt related to the topic at all, i see.

Anyway, from reading your past replies on this topic it seems like you either hate respecting people who aren't cisgender or you're too stubborn to actually try to learn how to pronounce pronouns like ze/hir and xe n stuff.

anyway this site has a lot of basic neopronouns (ofc theres more) and you can learn how to pronounce them and use them in a sentence and stuff. hope that helps :))!!!

[michaelson]

Let's keep it civil in here.

I've also redacted a previous post using a racial slur and other words that I'm not comfortable having on the forums.

[mac]

im trying tbh,,,, :'))) im a very opinionated nonbinary :'))))) sorry tho

[scythe]

I think we're being reasonably civil, at least, considering there's a good amount of passionate disagreement.

[scythe]

Firstly, can you point out where I strayed off topic, I can't find it.

Secondly, I'm giving non-cisgender people as much respect as I give anyone, which is to say I treat them like human beings, no more, no less. If anyone, regardless of their gender, race, orientation, religion or social status were to come up to me and ask that I arbitrarily adjust my language to cater to their feelings, they'd all get the same response. I'm nice to everyone I meet who's nice to me, but I have my limits, and I have my reasons for drawing a line in the sand. No matter which way I look at this, from which perspective, be it linguistic, ideological, mental health related or any other reason that's been thrown my way, I can't square the encouragement of these neo-pronouns with what I would ever consider a good idea. If you identify as male, I'll call you he. If you identify as female, I'll call you she. I'll say they if I'm unsure. Anything more than that and you can count me out. Call that stubbornness if you want, I call it principled. Again, my reasons are not to disrespect those who want to be referred to as something else. If my reasons where simply because I disliked people different to me, then you'd be right in calling me stubborn. However, that's not the case here at all.

[mac]

and why exactly do you consider neopronouns a bad idea again??? other than that bogus """""made up"""" stuff like,,,, ya you can yell false equivalences all u want but it doesnt really hold any water you know?? why can you respect he, she, and they as valid pronouns but not xe/xir??? whats the difference??? is it because you can't pronounce it??? is it because you were conditioned as a child to only see two genders ??????

[scythe]

It's none of those things, although I'm sure we disagree on the definition of gender, so that may play into it at some point, but no, my reasons are many and varied, however I can't outline them point by point at the moment, (I'm supposed to be working) so I'll have to get back to you on that. Also, I've already said a bunch earlier in thread about why I don't agree with you on this.