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Jan 2019

One time I was writing a fanfiction (Hannigram) where she had will say, "Awww mixed babies are always cute."

I immediately stopped reading. And the story was good thus far. One thing I won't tolerate is colorism and racism in any capacity. Especially when it's passed off as a quirky "oh my god did I just say that out loud" situation.

don't think it counts as racism tbh. like someone saying i think black women are the most hot. it's a preference.

It's not racism, it's colorism. And I won't get into "preferences" and the underlying implications of these kinds of comments, because this is a comic book forum and not a dissertation. But yeah. She obviously knew the line was offensive because she had Will then back track and apologize.

I stop reading whenever I feel I don't care about the story. The characters are most important to me and if they're not developed properly, I won't waste my time trying to learn what happens.
That's what goes through my head as I write so hopefully it works out :slight_smile:

Huh. Interesting breakdown. I do think some of these categories are too broad to provide any real information about reader preferences. For example, everybody has a different idea of what makes a dull character. Personally, I find most super heroes dull, but clearly there are many people who disagree with me on that. "weak story/narrative" and "confusing beginning" seem like hard to define categories as well.

It's definitely not a useless a topic though! @kainatarma

Setting aside the sheer range of things people are into, it's probably worth asking whether there are common trends in reader preference based on things like genre, age, or other demographics. But since I don't know much about "Lit World Interviews" or the kind of people who frequent that site- apart from the fact that they're apparently mostly women (according to the respondent statistics anyway) I feel like it's really hard to extrapolate based on the info here. I think a survey like this would be a lot more helpful if it was constrained to a very specific genre and demographic- for example, a survey limited to the preferences of 20-something women in Supernatural Urban Fantasy genre fiction could probably give some useful results to writers of that kind of fiction.

Also:

I definitely lose interest in somebody's work very quickly if I meet them at a con or some other creator-focused event and it turns out they're just...not a very good person x') I feel like most people would probably agree with me on that one.

@fatedmatescomic
Agree!
Even implied, or frequently shown wrapped as "preference," colorism in mass media from creative work to advertisement can have adverse effect. From casting, to something has to do with the story, casting only light skinned or Caucasian mixed, or always depicting them as more attractive to the point of fetishization; it's annoying.

@MonkeyDumpling
Thank you for your opinion :slight_smile:

@yozhikisblue
Great idea of more specific survey as requirement and tastes of reader can be different per genre! :smile: Although I do think being too specific or niche at some points can be difficult to gain desirable result.
Reaching and listening to audience is importantI just hope in Tapas, wall announcement for creators can be more reaching, effective, and interactive that it can host polls. So many souls can be saved that way :slight_smile:

I have mixed nationality: approximately 7/8 of slavic blood and 1/8 of blood of nord nations with moderately dark skin. When I was a kid, some purely white kids have insulted and called me ugly because of my a bit darker skin tone and unusual face features. And THAT was a rasism for sure. :unamused:
But when some people have told me that girls of a mixed race are beautiful, they've clearly tried to cheer me up / express the good attitude toward my appearance, by the context of speech. I have no idea how this can insult anybody. I don't think that people mean anything bad about people of more pure races by those words.

Sure in some context it doesn't mean harmful, so it is in some situations :slight_smile: I meant it is sad to be bullied because you're mixed, and boost of confidence is needed. I don't think those people meant bad by telling you so.

The bad thing is when it is treated as fetish, because mixed people are "exotic" that they sometimes have distinct features :slight_smile: so people values them only for their ancestry.
I meant most people won't like it if they're told that they're pretty and special just because they're mixed, not because their actual quality or effort.

I'm not really good as this kind of topic :sweat: I'm some purebred so I can't speak experience of bi/multiracial people that this might be wrong. Also the perception of praising, insulting, or making disturbing remark can be different per person.

It would require me to educate you about American slavery, the global oppression of blacks, and the definition of colorism in order to explain to you how this comment is insulting, especially to darker skin black people like myself. I do not have the time, patience, or desire to do so.

Which shows it is imperative to take context in account. My spouse and myself (mixed couple) feel like @tired_programmer. I think it's interesting to see that tired programmer, my spouse and I have one thing in common: we are Old World people. We also may have (or not) difficult historical pasts in term of racism, but one thing is sure: we don't have the same historical past than USA. That may make the perception difference.

It is! I realized so.

I hope people in general is more inclined to educate fellow people rather than judging them for having perception that is shaped by different backgrounds :smile: as long as they meant and cause no harm and willing to know.

While I'm not black nor American, just for info colorism also occurs in many Asian countries (plus some racism):slight_smile:

What are talking about? Hearing that line made me smile, as Being from a mixed family myself we always take it as a compliment dude it was said with positive intentions(insentive maybe but definitely not racist.), and you took it was too seriously.

And also don't be so condescending about it.

I can't answer for fated, but as for myself I cringe when I hear it because I feel that people are pointing out the child's skin color (or other features normally indicative of a certain race). Praising a quality that really shouldn't matter so much.

I can also see it as somewhat insulting since it sort of diminishes the child to being a mere byproduct of a coupling, objectifying them in a way.
Sometimes my friends would say 'you and your husband's kids will be gorgeous! Half-Asian half-white babies are super cute!' and I'm thinking 'Is that all I'm good for? Using my genetics to create a thing that's aesthetically appealing?' So yeah there is a bit of objectification in it.

I understand your point, but I don't think it's specific to the way people react to the children of other (or mixed) ethnicity. It is pretty much the same when it's same ethnicity parents (eg. western stereotype of blond kids being cute= highly dependent on parents' genetics.). In my opinion, no one should make ANY remarks on the looks of babies in term of beauty, I find it very rude and a terrible start in life to be judged like that when just a few days/months old. However, parents often expect that.
If I feel the parents are in the expectation of compliments, I personally prefer pointing out things like the child' curiosity/interest of things around them or something like that, revealing personality.

Sorry I'm going even more off-topic :sweat_smile: won't do that again, promise :wink:

Yes exactly! When kids get compliments on their physical appearance that's just conditioning them to prioritize certain things that could end up detrimental to their own self-esteem or those of others (like if they become passive bullies) later on.

I'm not being condescending by saying I have no desire to explain hundreds of years of United States prioritizing eurocentric features, while fetishizing black ones. I've clearly stated that the comment is insulting, and a prime example of colorism. I don't know where you're from, I'm speaking about where the fandom Hannibal originated from, United States. I don't speak about other countries and their perspectives on racism/colorism, because I have no insight on those issues. However, if I were to comment about racism and colorism in a country that was not my own, it would be to learn about their different experiences, not refute them. But I mean...different strokes for different folks I guess.

Oh and as far as me being sensitive, yes. I am very sensitive to colorism/racism. I believe I started this conversation stating that very fact lolol

I, for one, am happy to see Profanity so high on the list, even if it is less than 6%. As far as I can tell, profanity is almost always completely unnecessary, even for crass and degenerate characters. It is easy, it is ugly, it is thematically weak. More often than not, it is a crutch used to superficially raise emotional stakes and tension. I imagine that is why people drop such works, not because of some Puritanical notion. If you're using profanity, odds are good that you are missing out on better words that will not only convey what you want more precisely and meaningfully, but will be far sweeter to the mind's ear.

Otherwise, the data seems reasonable to me. Passes the sniff test, as far as I can tell. I'm shocked that "Dull" isn't like 80% of the reason people stop reading things.

For my own part, it usually is just a matter of genre and tone. I'm picky, I admit it. beyond that sort of thing, it comes down to authenticity. It is usually very easy to pick up that any given story is being written in poor faith. I'm talking about power fantasies, fetishizing revenge, intellectual masturbation--all of these things are vain, ugly, false ways of telling real stories. They're everywhere, too. Quentin Tarantino is guilty of this, as a big example. When you read a work, or watch a work, pay attention to whether it comes off as a genuine exploration of a compelling story, or if it's an excuse. There are a lot of people with chips on their shoulders. Mean-spirited people feel compelled to put their insecure rage to paper. It goes everywhich way, and as soon as I get one sniff of that kind of inauthentic tantrum-writing, I can't continue.

Gratuitous profanities is indeed a turn off, but I do think sometimes it is working for realism to some degree. For example when panic some people will more inclined to the say the fucking shit of profanities instead of some eloquent words or begging God for help. Coming from a person who swears a lot ( go judge me whatever you want)

I don't know who exactly Quentin Tarantino is (yes I'm uncultured bastard), so I can't say much about the third point.
I just agree that I don't like stories that present themselves in such condescending tone or rub the moral values in your face, the thing with pseudointellectual feels, or something edgelord-y.

How do you sense that a story is not authentic anyway, and not just a poor presentation or lack of subtlety?

Anyway thanks for commenting :smile:

A lot of the points in these pie charts make sense, however, this just goes to show how gosh darn hard it is to make something actually good (to the majority of people) :confounded: