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Oct 2019

Welcome!

So I have been wondering about this for a while, it's been a real dilemma for me.

It's about the oldest pages of my webcomic, Rise of the Heroes. I feel like it just doesn't fit anymore with my current art style, writing and set of tricks. I had this idea of redoing them (it's basically two chapters).
The pro's for me are:
- The art style connects better with the other half of the story so far.
- Since i'm more experienced with certain tricks and skills, the pages will look more convincing.
- It is a way for me to combat certain loopholes and mistakes

I can understand that a total change of pages might scare away the older readers. I'm just not sure what to do?

What would you do if you were in this position? Keep the older pages? Or remake them? (Not that i'll be getting rid of the old ones in any way.)
Thank you in advance!

~Dual

My webcomic by the way, there's too many old pages to upload here on the forums, hence why I put a link here:
Check out Rise of the Heroes on Tapas https://tapas.io/series/Rise-of-the-Heroes21

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I'd advice against it.

Finish your whole comic, and then see if you really want to redo pages. Otherwise you'll just start and endless loop of reworking everything, because you will ALWAYS improve, and the older pages will ALWAYS need fixing to keep up with your new skills.

And your readers don't want to read your redone pages. They want to read what happens next!

This is actually a difficult one, and in the end only you can truly decide what's best for you and your comic, but I'll try to advise as best I can.

In your case, I can definitely see why you'd want to restart, I jumped back from the current page to the first and wow, yeah that's actually a very big improvement in... like everything, the art looks a lot better, the integration of backgrounds is better, the pages look more complete, there are proper panel borders... It's just all round a more confident and finished looking comic. I wasn't expecting such a big quality jump, so I was ready to give the answer of "Oh it's normal for a comic to get better art as you go, just leave it", because usually, for the majority of cases, artists who start redrawing old pages (which aren't usually nearly as poor compared to current ones as they think) end up in a cycle of redoing old stuff, then catching up and then their newer pages look bad, or you have a weird sandwich of great looking redone early pages, great looking new pages and then kinda eeeghhhh looking pages in the middle! :sweat_smile:

I think for you, the thing to decide is: "What am I drawing this specific comic for?"

Option 1: This comic is something you're drawing as means to improve your work so that you can draw better comics in the future based on the skills you are learning here.
If this is the case: DON'T redo your old pages. Just keep going and keep improving, then make a really great, consistent comic later. You're clearly in a growth period as an artist, and riding out that growth a bit longer won't do you any harm.

Option 2: This comic has a story and characters you want to make money from eventually, but you're open to the idea that this may not be the final, best version of it that you'll make to print/sell.
If this is the case, DON'T redo your old pages. Keep learning until you feel ready to reboot it in a super-polished, awesome form.

Option 3: This comic, and this specific version of it whether you're making it to turn a profit or just for the fun of making it, is your only comic and you are married to it for the long haul. You have no interest in rebooting or in dropping it and starting anything else.
If this is the case, it's up to you whether you redo your old pages or not. I still think new content is more valuable to readers than more polished older content, but on the other hand, more polished early pages might help hook new readers soooo.... I don't know?

Option 4: You have almost finished the story of this comic and intend to wrap it up as a complete thing, maybe even do a printed edition.
If this is the case, redrawing the old pages becomes a bit more viable, (but leave it til the comic is finished) or you could even leave them in their old state on Tapas and redo them for the printed version as a special extra!

I repainted my older page to fit my current colors/paintings and because i change the order, i delete all the episodes and start re-upload again.

This just make me lose all my likes and also a bunch of subs. And also took time away from making new pages = a total failure. So bad, that i'm scared to look at my stats anymore, i just go directly to the "upload" page.

My advice? don't do it. If your art is not god level, then people will just don't give a f... about your art quality and prefer only quantity and new updates.

all I can say is it worked for me. I have dramatically improved over the years, and now I'm to the point where constantly cleaning up the old episodes needs to happen each week AS WELL as my usual weekly update. I don't send out notifications, I just do it. It's not for your current readers, it's for your new readers.

You've got a point there. I also noticed I am still hooking new readers occasionally on both Tapas and Webtoon.

Thank you for the advice! Since it seems that I still manage to hook new people every now and then, i'll hold off the idea for now!

I was always very adamantly against it because it takes time away from finishing the series, and I personally only started my series to improve in art, so this wasn't a story I was super dedicated to from the start. But here I am two yrs in and my art has improved a decent amount and I realized I didn't want my first episode to be the first impression new readers had of me. So I decided to redo the first episode. I don't regret doing it, but I definitely think I'm done and won't be redoing any others. It was really cool to have the comparison panels and to see my progress, but redoing pages had me becoming super anxious and anal. Because I was redoing it for art reasons I found myself wanting to go all out and fix everything. I eventually took a step back and gave myself a set time frame to finish it before I got sucked into spending a month or something to redo one ep.

So my advice to you is, if you redo pages, make sure you set certain limits so you don't go overboard and enter a state of redo hell. Have a limit on how many pages you want to fix. Or a limit to how much time you can dedicate to this each month.

Thank you for your advice! I don't really feel too much pressure to redo them immediately, so i'll do them whenever I feel like it.

@darthmongoose pretty much hit the nail on the head I think in regards to the different options and reasoning behind them. The only thing I'll add is to factor the time investment into the equation: if the work you're wanting to do won't take a significant amount of time (or take away from your new episode uploads) it may be worth pursuing even if falls in the "don't redo" categories.

What I mean is- how long does it take you to complete one of your current pages right now? How many pages from those two chapters would you be looking to redo? If you multiply them together how long would it take to finish that work? I see beta kinda ninja'd me but I agree, if it's something that would require, say, a month-long hiatus, it might be worth. If you start getting into several months worth of work you start compromising your current readers in a significant way, imo. There was one series on tapas i was reading and enjoying quite a bit that did a full reboot of several chapters worth of story that kinda lost my attention afterwards because the author went on hiatus for several months with 0 new updates, and then started reposting the story from the beginning on a weekly basis again, so it took forever to get back to where it was... in fact I'm not actually sure that its caught up yet :sweat_smile: the reboot has much nicer art and a slightly different story but it was gone for so long that i got i invested in other comics in the meantime...

I'm kind of torn on this subject. What I really like about comics (and art in general) is that I'm able to see how the artist improves. It makes me happy as a fellow creator to see the difference between when they first start and where they are now. They are on an artistic journey and I get to witness it literally page by page. To take that away would be kinda sad.

On the other hand if the art isn't that good and gets drastically better later, I can see why someone would want to do some re-touching so they don't scare away potential new readers, who might be put off by the crudeness of the early pages. I think this is the difference between (some, not all!) readers and creators. I value the baby steps towards the masterpiece while those who only want the product often want it shiny and polished.

Your comic journey shows immense improvement in color use, more natural poses and layout. If it bothers you too much you could redo some pages, but make sure you don't end up in a cycle of re-doing your past work!

While I think your art has improved, I wouldn't recommend it just yet. At some point, if the later pages of your comic looks dramatically different than your earlier pages, then I would consider it. Especially if you start using flat blocks of color--as opposed to the crayon feel.

My case is not the same but somewhat similar, I "rebooted" my comic. I can say that my statistics improved like crazy because most readers won't read the whole thing to see the improvements and will decide almost immediately if they will abandon your comic orwill keep reading, having better quality first pages helped me. If the art looks too amateur many readers are likley to exit, sadly. Many readers look for a first sight "hook", fewer users (usually other artists) prefer a build-up or development over time.

I would say that redo you pages if:

-Your art has dramatically improved, if not, they will look almost the same and you will only waste your time.
-It is important to improve the plot.
-It will improve the reader's experience.

Maybe you would like to practice a little more, or go ahead if you think you are ready :slight_smile:
You can also publish the older pages in a separate comic so that hardcore fans won't miss them and you have old pages to look back at the progress.

It really depends on what you're doing it for.
If it's just because you don't like to see your old pages I'd advice against it.

If you're doing it because you think that it will boost your following I'd say yes, absolutely!

It's true that by the time you'll have finished you'll probably have changed style again, but that doesn't change the fact that you'll have gained more followers thanks to an improved style.

I've been redoing old comics of my series 'Millennials1' for a very long time now (there are a lot of episodes), not entirely in most cases, but over the span of 3 years I've changed practically everything (from the font to the format) and the first and latest episodes look like they've been done by two different people.

I know by experience that readers love to see art improvement over time, so I haven't touched the lineart as much. I have just improved the format, the lettering, added colors to b&w episodes and redone the baloons to improve readability and make sure that at least they look like they belong to the same artist (and I can also post them on social media, as I was using a vertical scroll format for at least the first two years).

I even went as far as removing episode that were too short (only 2 panels) to give more consistency.

I'm at a point where I'm still 20sh episode away from having a consistent series and I'm very happy with my choice :slight_smile:

You know what's best, so feel free to ignore this advice, but I say don't redo it, instead focus on finishing your comic. Webcomics are fluid--and people understand that the comic wasn't finished before we started posting. What they are reading is a draft and not a finished product yet. Little fixes to certain pages are fine, but if you devote a ton of time to redoing the beginning you will probably never finish your comic you're on right now. Speaking from my sad experience of doing just that.

One of the best pieces of advice I ever got was about writing novels but I think it works for comics as well, and it's to just finish your drafts without looking back--resist re-reading old stuff, resist re-writing old scenes the best you can, and to just get it to completion. It's only when something's fully completed that you will really know how to fix the beginning anyway, and so if you fix the beginning now, you'll probably end up doing it all over again in a couple of years no matter what.

Okay, I decided! I will eventually redo the first two chapters! I think it'll also help me fix some plotholes.

It will leave some ehh pages in the middle, but i'm talking about like 8 episodes here so i'm sure my comic won't die because of that. Since the comic basically began at this point, I think it's a fine idea. I will be keeping the old pages though, don't want to throw them away.

I'll probably figure something out with these pages. Maybe store them somewhere online so people can still see them?

I'm as stuck as you're now cause I've been thinking about redrawing the first chapter for quite a while. The thing is that I'm very slow at drawing pages.

If I were you, well at least what I think I'm going to do as well, instead of just working on the reboot I think I'll keep focusing mainly on the new pages and slowly working on the old pages a bit on the side. Like maybe some sketches, after some weeks maybe I start with the lineart... You know, redrawing them at your own pace and update them once you've all of them finished. That way your readers won't be affected cause you'll keep posting content and then one day, SURPRISE! Redrawn pages! Hope that it can be of some help.

I've actually been thinking on this a lot as well with my series Edible green tea now that it has wrapped up. The entire series as a whole was mostly just me experimenting with making comics in general, but the first 50 strips compared to the rest of the series are super-duper rough compared to even the rest of the series not counting the change in format I underwent as well. So I was thinking of possibly doing that if I ever had the time on my hands.

As for my other comic DRAGOONS, I realized that the story wasn't progressing the way I wanted to in Chapter 1, so I'm planning on remaking it down the line with better art and a more coherent story now that I know what I'm doing with it.