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Sep 2021

I'm sure every creator here has thought and felt the same thing before.
How do I put so much into my comic for so little in return? Days and Days working on a chapter for 10 likes.
How is it this new comic no one has heard of has 4 chapters and 10k subs? (No hate good for those comics but how do they get selected?)

The thing is I wish I could draw like all of you here but I stink at it so bad it's not worth my time to do it so I outsource an illustrator (paid of course) and I've just gotten to the point where I'm wondering if it's worth the money and time. Not because I dislike doing this (I love it) but because I'm not getting any feedback on whether or not it's good enough to continue.

Please help me out and let me know what I should do forum!

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So which is it then?

Are you drawing out of passion or for feedback? Since you stated that you are halting your creative artistic work because no feedback is given, then that means you were drawing for attention. People who draw with passion don't mind getting feedback, but it is most appreciative.

If you truly love drawing or making your comic, then continue to do so. It's literally your enjoyment to make a comic, yet you choose to stop because not enough people are looking at it. I don't understand.

Maybe it's just me who is lost in the thought process. Maybe I am the one who is thinking incorrectly. Perhaps I am.

Edit: Sorry if I sounded too harsh. I don't mean to be when it comes to responding to these situations.

The big question here is: are you doing comics because you enjoy doing it or because you are expecting to grow an audience and become popular with it?

There's nothing wrong with wanting to build an audience, but as has been said many times on the forums... building an audience takes time. And it is not easy. Yes, some people get featured early on and pretty much become famous overnight, but the great majority of them will NOT. And comparing yourself to others is never going to do any good. There will always be someone who is more popular than you, someone who has more likes than you, more comments than you, more in-depth comments than you, more Patrons than you.

Sure, we all get frustrated when it feels like everyone else but us is becoming successful, however it's easier to keep going when you remember that you're doing this for yourself first and foremost, because you've got a story you're passionate about that you absolutely want to tell. Numbers are a nice addition, but they won't grow easily + most readers are going to be silent by default and some of them won't even leave you a like... but still, that doesn't mean that they're not enjoying the story. (Example: once I stumbled upon a Tumblr post praising my comic. The person who posted it wasn't following my blog, never left a comment, never left a like, never interacted with me in any way, shape or form and didn't even tag me in said post, so I just found it by accident through Tumblr search. Yet I could tell that they deeply cared about the story and its characters. So yeah, always keep in mind that even if your audience is not interacting, it doesn't mean that they don't care :blush:).

Which is why I'm asking you again: are you writing this for yourself or for the numbers? And if you're in for the numbers, what are you doing to increase them? Generally speaking, you shouldn't rely solely on staff picks to grow your audience: it's always a good idea to help the growth yourself, by posting on social media, using multiple mirrors and/or using paid ads. Again, however, it's a long (and sometimes expensive) game, so another question you should be asking yourself is: are you willing to potentially wait for a long time (could take YEARS) before your comic gets the growth you want or not?

Ok, did my check and you've got likes, comments and subscribers - it's not like you're posting into silence.

So.... my concern for you is that if the audience you currently have feels like so little, what will it take for you to feel like it's worth making your comic? Enjoying the process? Likes? Comments? Financial support? I think it's possible/probable that authors that don't feel satisfied with 10 likes won't feel satisfied with 10,000 likes either when they get there. You really need to sit down with yourself and think about which things actually matter to you now that you've had some experience.

There's people enjoying and following the work that you made, taking a break from their day for you to entertain them - that's amazing!! But it's ok if that's not enough motivation for you to keep going. :smile_01: Best of luck!

Edit: realized I didn't directly address your point. "Good enough to continue" is meaningless - no one can answer that! People obviously think your comic is worth their time. If you're actually asking something like "will my comic eventually make money" or "does my comic have the potential to hit x subscribers", those are more concrete questions but still really hard to answer. So you're better off thinking about why you're doing this and making a decision that feels right to you.

It's definitely out of passion, if I could do this all day every day without any financial pushback I would. I guess my issue is convincing myself and my spouse that the money spent is worth it. Almost a year in and almost 6k invested between my illustrator and promotions on my end for 20 likes makes me feel like I'm doing for myself and not getting anything in return. (I also don't need to be a top webtoon or anything I guess I was just expecting a little more) I really sound like an old man yelling at clouds :joy:

I 100% started this as a passion project with the hopes of becoming popular because lets face it that's what everyone hopes for whether or not that's why they're doing it initially. So to answer your question its because i love telling stories and seeing what pops in my head go from their to pen of my illustrator. Also i rely 0% on canvas for staff picks or hidden gems but its infuriating for understand there reasoning. Someone who has 60k subs isn't a hidden gem anymore lol I've been pushing out as much as i can on IG even paying for the promos but that is what it is. I guess my confidence has taken a hit lately and im confused on what steps to take to push out as much as i can lol. Thanks for your response!

Thanks. I do enjoy the process even with my crappy storyboards being made to send to my illustrator is something I look forward to each time I'm done writing a chapter. I just think I took a confidence hit today with being unable to talk to people about my comic more so than I was expecting. ( I don't want it to sound like sour grapes but I figured id ask the community if its worth continuing in terms of potential) I don't want to be down 10k and still sitting on something that will never come to fruition even if I personally feel fulfilled.

End of the day, you gotta ask: What am I making my webcomic for?

If you're making it for popularity, numbers and the biggest audience possible, to contend with the big names. Then go in that direction.

If you're making it for yourself, so show your work and potentially as a portfolio piece, then give it a second thought.

If you're making it purely for enjoyment, then as long as you enjoy it, there's no question.

It's important to really think about what you want to gain from this and to be honest with yourself. No point in forcing enjoyment if you really don't like what you do, but also good to stay realistic in your own circumstances. Just like the other comments are saying. At the end of the day, it's all you, what you want out of it and how you're feeling while making it. Believe me, I understand the frustration very well. Which is why it's important to take the time and think it over. If you need to take a few days or weeks, take them.

As long as you can accept the answer you find with time, then your next moves are right.

I think it might be above the forum's pay grade to give input about what financial decision is best for you and your spouse. :sweat_smile: It's great to be passionate about what you make, but finances are important too!

These are rhetorical questions that might be worth reflecting on... are there any alternative ways you can share your story with the world without spending a ton of money? Would you have the same passion for the project if it were a novel with supplemental illustrations? Would you still be passionate if you created super short one-shot comics? Is 6K worth the amount of feedback you're receiving now? What would change if you woke up tomorrow and your comic hit the front page? Would that 6K be worth it then? I think this could pave the way to a more informed answer.

Some people have a really big social media presence before creating a webcomic and those followers support the webcomic! Some people are just lucky or may have connections we aren't aware of.

Before you start any creative project (comic, novel,singing songs,.....) you need to tell yourself who are you doing it for. Because if your only goal is money/fame it will lead you to nowhere. Sure, you may get 10k subs, but then you will want 100k, 1mil,etc..... You will never be satisfied with your work if you see it as a number.

However, i do understand your frustration, so i'd say if you love doing this, don't stop it.

What does this mean for you? I think you need to answer this (in a concrete way) for yourself.

Heck yeah 6k would be worth it to wake up on the front page. Money is what money is but I'd gladly spend whatever I needed to get more exposure lol

Yeah it's not like that for me. Even getting to 1k would be such a big deal for me. I guess it's not the subs it's just more what do I do for exposure since I can't seem to figure out the best way to generate that.

The webtoon means a lot to me. I would love to do it forever but I'm sure like everyone else you want to know how to get the most exposure possible. Coming to fruition for me would be at least getting views even if the subs never come. The rating system kills me too 9.96 but it gets you nothing in return lol

I won't go into the passion or work stuff. Everyone else here has already said that. And you must be aware of that too. If you feel like you have hit a wall. Take a brake. Write something new. Collect some money and start a brand new project that you have confidence in and that will do good.

PS - I would suggest advertising your work on your social accounts and be more active there to gather more audience.

I am a student right now so I might not understand fully your condition but the novel I am writing is only read by by my few close friends. And it has been 5 months. But the review the give make my day. But this is not at all my aim. I am aiming for the top. Actually I saving money to hire an artist too to start my web comic next year. And when I feel no one new is reading my webnovel. I start writing other and another. For future. That gives me hope. It's all about not giving up and trying again.
I would suggest starting something new if this isn't working.
That's all. Good luck.

Thanks. I do a lot of ads on my IG page and it's been pretty solid. I think I will take a break sooner than later. Good Luck with your future novel!

Not... necessarily :sweat_smile: I mean, of course I would not complain if I were able to make it big and solely live off of making comics, but that's not my main goal. Being able to finish this project, possibly print/publish it and having an audience that's invested in the story is what matter the most to me. Which is one of the main reasons I asked about your motivations.

I see that you spent 6k on this story already, and... well, that is quite a lot of money and I understand wanting to see something in return. However, more questions come to mind, at this point:

-Did you have any social media presence before you started this project? Have any other finished projects? Building an audience from scratch is incredibly difficult. Even more so if it's your first project: people don't know who you are yet, they don't know what to expect from you, heck, they don't even know if you're actually going to finish the thing or not! If you take a closer look at a bunch of popular webcomic creators, you'll see that plenty of them: a. have already finished a comic (or more than a comic) in the past; b. have a HUGE social media presence; c. are already popular artists who may be at their first comic, but already built an empire through fan arts and/or just regular art; d. did some other creative project in the past (games, videos, tutorials, animations, whatever).

-Is your comic a long term project? One of the reasons why many creators suggest starting with a smaller project is to test the waters and see how things go. I'd say that this is especially true for comics where you're paying for an artist. You don't want to spend huge amounts of money on a project unless you can afford to spend that much without having anything in return OR you're 100% sure that you're going to get something out of it, as in, when you have a contract, have a successful Kickstarter/Patreon or whatever. If your project isn't working the way you were hoping and you still have a lot more episodes planned, I suggest either cutting it short (find a way to finish the story earlier and move on to a shorter project) or finding a way to get some of that money back (by making a Patreon/Kickstarter). Leaving the comic unfinished may not be a very good idea, because as I said, people like to know what to expect and if they think that you're the type who abandons projects and never finishes them, you'll have a hard time gaining their trust with your next project.

-Last but not least: did you do your research? Marketing a comic (or anything, really) requires study and research. For the bigger numbers, you do need to look into trends, see what's popular on social media, study how each social media works and act accordingly. Simply throwing your money at IG for an ad won't do the trick: you have to make sure that the ad is visually appealing, that it's reaching the right audience, that people can easily find the thing you're trying to promote. Webtoon links are notoriously hard to promote on mobile, since they often tend to open the age verification page and then won't even show you the actual comic page: there's a chance that the great majority of people clicking on your webcomic ad couldn't even access it to begin with. A much less expensive platform for advertising comics would be ComicAd, which lets you post ads on other webcomic sites, which means more exposure to actual webcomic readers, rather than a generic audience.

If you are talking about the comics that appear on the front page of Tapas (usually on the banner), most of those are foreign webtoons (mostly Korean but I have seen some from other places like Hong Kong) which Tapas has distributing rights to post the English translation of. Some of those comics that may seem brand new may actually be running for a lot longer, it's just the English translation may only be the first 4 chapters. Right now, those comics are sort of the "bread and butter" of Tapas and that is why they get the most promotion.

These are not goals. "More/most possible" are not goals.

You are currently getting views. How many views is enough for you to mark it as coming to fruition? What number is worth your investment of time/money? There is nothing concrete or achievable about "the most exposure possible." Until you sort this out, you're going to keep having this issue.

Chasing goals that you can't ever achieve because they're not actually defined sounds like a recipe for frustration! Also, if you define it properly and are honest with yourself about what you're trying to do, you can be strategic. Set some real goals with numbers and timelines (if applicable) and think about the best way to use your resources to achieve them (and what resources - money, effort, time - you're willing to spend before you evaluate if it's working or not working for you).

Not necessarily! We're not spending our energy on that for our current project :smile_01:. But that's not the point of it.

To answer your questions.

  1. No I had 0 Social presence online about this webcomic. Probably spent a month or 2 working on it before my first chapter (I know I dove in headfirst)...(Damn Pandemic)

  2. Yes, even though the whole point of this post was to ask if I should just give up I know deep down 1. I wouldn't want to stop with at least some form of an ending and 2. I wouldn't stop midway through a season because that's unfair to my illustrator who could be depending on my payments for whatever they need it for.

  3. I did do some research and I knew it wouldn't be easy but was very optimistic (Like Naruto) now I'm leaning more towards pessimism (Like Sasuke) lol.