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And this emphasis on subs is really a Catch 22 for the novels.

Even if the novel is 100-150K words, and you slice it thin, it is still a short run with daily updates... so you will be done fast. And once you are done, what's the point of people subbing?

So, a strong, polished, preloaded novel will have much shorter window of the opportunity to fish for its subs. Because, no, the audience for a novel doesn't show up every day to browse through every novel showing up in Fresh.

I mean, isn't a point of a novel to be complete and available to read the WHOLE thing, beginning to end? And if it's the case, what do you need to sub for?

If the writer is diligent, and uploads daily, why sub? It would only plug your feed, and irritate you if you don't check the site every day.

If they don't upload daily, how many books can you read with any ability to keep the plot in mind and characters in your heart every three to seven or fourteen days?

This just encourages a really low quality reading experience, when you read multiple chapters of multiple stories per day in a scattered fashion. No wonder people don't engage! I mean, I had been reading like that for three years, reading a dozen or more books simultaneously, every day, and it is tiring as heck. Particularly when I have to provide feedback on something I've last read like a month or two ago? Lol. If I remember the name of their love interest, gold star!

It also pushes to the top the stories with disjointed structure and overtly titillating characters rather than a strong, engaging storyline and nuanced story-telling.

Anyway, yeah, weird. I am willing to give time and heart to the other creators, but the way the algorithms interpret engagement and what they reward makes it less enjoyable.

@domisotto Makes excellent points about engagement and the algorithms. Behavior is key. For me, there's only been a handful of stories I go check out every update because the story is naturally to me. I don't always comment but I read and give likes. There are other stories I've read, they are good but are on the back burner. I have every intention of continuing to read them but now isn't the time.

The other thing for me is how much "advertising" something gets. As a kid, I loved superheroes. I still love them to an extent. Now, because the media is oversaturated with superhero stuff, I won't watch it. There is only a few superhero fan faction stuff I still read. The same thing applies to other online pieces of fiction, I'll read it because I want to not because I'm forced or obliged to.

The best we can do is keep the stories we aren't reading on neutral grounds.

I'll bookmark things I'm interested in but can't read for awhile. That way I can find it later and read/subscribe but I'm not an empty sub

Yes! Good point. I'm writing it up there.

yeah, but without the repository of the completes stories, it is going to bypass a lot of writers, who'd finish their novel, and end up in the 'later' pile... I dunno. Tapas is great, by they need to do better where completed is concerned.

Ideally, your sub library should work as your reading queue WITHOUT penalizing the author.

Should we tag the Tapas team on this one? I don't know if we should...

I don't believe in sub for sub culture because I doubt it would help me at all in this space tbh. Subs don't boost much in the algorithm and if they're not reading my story then what's the point?

I'm not subbed to a bunch of stories because I read in weird bursts and spasms. When I'm having lunch or can't sleep,I'll scroll through my sub list, grab a story or comic and blitz through some chapters. I rarely leave comments, mostly because I don't have much to say.

I am sure they know...

Also, I still have books at home from twenty years ago that I finished reading and that have sentimental value. But finishing reading a book--which is THE greatest compliment to the writer on the web is actually a penalty, because you no longer engage with the book, and, to 'help' you should unsub after completing the read.

But how does the writer sees that? A LOST sub. And maybe they were trying so hard to get to their sub goal. Like... really?

Ah, that's a major problem too. Gotta think of how to solve that one.

I think I'm about to run into this problem with my webcomic. I was recently featured on the front page (which I am super grateful for!!!) and gained about 130 subscribers, almost none of which interacted with the webcomic in any other way. I'm concerned that they'll just be ghost subscribers and in the end it will hurt my engagement.

I'm also guilty of this myself. I currently have 27 or so notifications of webcomics that have updated that I haven't looked at... and I'm essentially a ghost subscriber for those! I like the idea of bookmarking a series so that I don't ruin their engagement. This thread has encouraged me to be more proactive from here on out!

Yes, the popularity of a story depends on the interaction to sub ratio. The more empty subs one has, the lower their story will be on the popular/trending lists.

It's actually beneficial for you if you have less subs.

You can't solve it. They should stop punishing writers for having people willing to keep their books in the library. It is driven by the fear of the sub-trading that links into monetizing, but, of course, it hurts the most the small accounts that cannot grow because their fiction gets sunk by the ratio.

Like, every book has its sub cap... I just believe in that.

All completed stories should be shifted to the binge section, and their popularity rankings should have an algorithm that is based on the sub to interaction ratio after it is enrolled in the binge section. That way, all the completed stories will be on equal grounds for the 'aftermath' interactions. (I mean, after their stories are complete)

What do you think?

I'm the same way when it comes to my reading habits and as an author. I'm happier, in theory, seeing the periodic burst of 5,10, 15+ reads, and the occasional subscriber than getting ten subs at once and no reads.

My series has been one of the top stories in every category, except binge, in sci-fi and it's no where near finished. I think the popularity rankings might have more to do with overall engagement that actual subs. I am relatively low on the subscriber count but I have a lot of readers that come back to read my stuff.

Yes, it doesn't depend on subs. Many of us need to realise that :sweat_smile:

Ah, you mean the subs shouldn't be the determining factor in rankings of the binge section?

Also, Don't :clap: Do :clap: Sub for :clap: Sub. Unless you actually both like each others' work of course.
lol always wanted to do that clapping thing that people do. Additionally, engaging is helpful. Talking to people in places actively and asking for honest feedback helps. I really have no clue what percentage of my subs are active because I get way more views than I have subs per upload because I advertise pretty extensively on updates. Not everyone likes and comments but I mean, I don't either on things I read much. What I would really love is to bring up engagement on my facebook group too. And just keep putting along. Regular, predictable content is one of the most valuable things to maintaining a readership. Don't try to do more than you can. Find out how long it takes you and then give yourself a regular update a little longer than that so you have room. I update biweekly so it's slow going but I've only missed 2 updates since I started almost 2 years ago and those were because I had a baby in that time. I even posted a little sketch on one of the missed updates to let everyone that wasn't following my other social medias what was up.

Yep. It's a tough thing to judge for sure. I've read stories in my same genre that have x3 as many subs as I do but our read/like counts are almost the same. I can't say my work is better or worse than theirs's, it's really subjective to what people like and want to keep reading.