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That's a problem with a lot of conversations about money, politics & the like. People will exaggerate &/or make unsubstantiated claims to support their position. It becomes "win the argument" instead of "explore the situation".

Sure, the fish thing is a simplification, as are most truisms. But the essence of the saying holds. The 43M do need to eat now, but they need to find, or be shown, how to feed themselves & maybe one day also join the nations who produce a surplus that can be used for charity. It's not sustainable to rely on charity indefinitely because what happens if donors confront their own crises? Nothing good.

With that, I retire from the battlefield. Selah.

As someone who lives under a rock and knows jack shit about Musk, seeing 5/7 replies to you (including a mod's) being nothing but snarky put-downs made me instinctively want to side with you just on principle, but after reading your post carefully and the later replies that actually address your points, your argument isn't really convincing (for reasons those other comments covered better than I could).

I hope you read through them and address them somehow. Your replies so far give me the impression you're more interested in provoking people, but I want to believe you really were trying to have a good faith discussion.

Yeah it's pretty easy to slip into exaggerating, and I've also pretty much given up on substantiating empirical claims and prefer to just focus on the internal logic of arguments :stuck_out_tongue: Getting riled up is inevitable; I think the important thing is to acknowledge it if someone points out you've been exaggerating or using fallacious logic, instead of doubling down on you path and insist you never said anything wrong ever. Someone who can do that has my respect :]

If I'm understanding correctly, this is for 1 year; not indefinitely. If you didn't have to worry about food for a year, you can use that time to get yourself into a more stable living situation. So basically, yes teach a man to fish, but he can't exactly do much with that knowledge without a fishing rod :stuck_out_tongue:

I really don't know why these two things so maybe someone can explain as i dont understand.
Wasn't the previous owners of twitter rich fat cats (I would replace a with un) like musk? If so why the outrage him taking over.
What's the big deal with twitter anyway for everyone to get so heated about it?

It's where I've historically picked up most of my clients and readers and made most of my sales? Am I not allowed to be annoyed that some guy decided to buy a product I've relied on for over a decade to do my job, purely for his own vanity, and now threatens to run it into the ground?

I see. Calm down :wink: Are you losing clients currently?
Well I do think it was losing its day in the sun before Musk took over anyway. From my understanding it was failing financially and it was sold off to him. Previous ceos got a fat paycheck but they're okay I guess. Not at all responsible for the mess.
Anyway platforms do come and go. Getting emotionally invested in one seems pointless.
Having twats like musk in your head rent free is also pointless.
Don't like the service or its manager. Leave. That's it. Simple. No more investment.

Why are you telling me to calm down? I said I was annoyed, not hysterical. I mean, I guess if you don't have a good argument, attempting to frame people with different opinions as being overly upset and irrational over nothing is a pretty common tactic, so I shouldn't be surpised....

How can I know if I'm losing opportunities? I don't have a magical ability to sense when a person didn't see my work or failed to find me.

At no point did I say I'm not on other social media. Obviously I'm a professional, so I have a website, I'm on Linkedin, Instagram, I go to physical events etc. So your attempt to frame me as some melodramatic fool who has tied all their hopes and dreams to a single platform won't work. I'm still allowed to feel like Musk's inept management is an annoying inconvenience and one that could damage the livelihoods of many artists by negatively impacting visibility, since even if we choose to be elsewhere, Twitter is where all the clients are, and adapting to a massive change to the social media landscape, seeing where the clients end up and setting up a presence there, will take months.

So much you put in that post I never once said. Non directed at you but just the whole hub hub in general.
So much for rationality on this thread.

The issue a lot of people have with Musk is that he is childish and often acts like a troll. He mentioned being a huge fan of Reddit and you can tell by the way he talks to people. Very much a lack of professionalism.

There is also a large concerns about his motivation to buy the site. He originally made a public Tweet about him wanting to buy the site after he noticed accounts were being suspended for harassing trans people. Even after buying the site, he removed the section of the rules that was in place to prevent harassment targeted at trans people. Musk has also been chummy with the Twitter account that has been responsible to encouraging attacks on LGBTQ people including the recent mass shooting in Colorado. It would make sense to ban the account for inciting hate crimes but people are concerned he isn’t going to do that.

people are allowed to feel and discuss things that affect them, and rant if the space is appropriate, i.e this thread. If you want to ask folks to be civil in the discussions, that's one thing, but telling them to calm down comes off as condescending, especially with that winky smiley.

Oh no... Once again, we who would critically examine things that could be improved are defeated by a very intelligent person...

Okay then, maybe you can help me understand what you said. Because this is what I'm getting atm:

Implying the other person is hysterical/irrationally upset over nothing.

The other person straight up told you why it's impossible to know if opportunities are lost.

Implying the other person isn't on other platforms.

These are the 3 statements addressed by the 3 paragraphs in the other person's reply. Are there any problems with my analysis? Please, do tell me. We're trying to be rational here, aren't we? :wink:

(FWIW I do agree there's a lot of hub hub in this thread from both sides. But one side at least have some sprinklings of rationality in it, and it's not yours ... :sweat_01:)

Gotta say it confuses me why Kim Kardashian is famous.......not sure what she did before Keeping up with the Kardashians :sweat_smile:

Guess some people are fan of Elon because they are fans of his products (kinda like what happened with Steve Jobs).
And the memes of him being from the future XD

But no matter how much has a person achieved, nobody is perfect and it's unhealthy to blind oneself from the flaws of others.

One can learn from some of these folks, but without proper judgement to distinguish the good from the bad, a person may repeat his mistakes on the path of following their rolemodel.......

Her father was a famous lawyer, he was best known for being part of the OJ Simpson case. She was also the step-daughter of Caitlyn Jenner tho I am not sure her mom and Caitlyn are still together. Kim got media attention for having a sex-tape, and for some reason she was given a reality show...because TV is weird like that. Kim and some of her siblings are billionaires from sales of their makeup and beauty brands.

Is weird how fame spreads like that......so she is famous because she is the daughter of the lawyer of a famous person

and......i guess sex tapes make people famous quickly :sweat_smile:

my post was not so much on musk the person but musk the symptom of late capitalisms basic problem: Grotesquely overpowered private property killing public interest/civilization.

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