that's where we all are I think, no matter skill level or how long we've been at it. Comics are a marathon, not a footrace. If you're doing this, you're not doing anything wrong. It's a long journey, but if you keep showing up, time is only on your side.
I 10000% relate to the mindset of CREATING for the self, but SHARING for externally oriented reasons. I make my comic for myself. It is very much tailored to what I want to read. But I post it for positive responses. And posting gives me so much stress, that some days I'm seriously tempted to just make my comic in secret without ever posting another page.
This is a very personal thing, and obviously different people feel differently. But that's how I feel about it. Separate motivations for making vs sharing.
Essentially I'm saying sometimes when a work is posted, people do see it, but it's not to their particular interests so they can't respond and give any sort of feedback to the creator.
my thought is........"why not both?"
i create for myself AND others.
I create stories i love and share them with people and i enjoy when they enjoy it.
Not going to read the thread because I don't feel like it.
I half agree, but it depends on the person. As someone who's had their drawings ignored by friends and family when trying to show it off, and someone who's assignments have been ignored by teachers (I was in a shit school, but I was also a brat) as a child, I can empathize with the frustration. Although as I've grown up I've learned that no one owes you their time, just like no one has a right to your time. Getting ignored for your hard work is just another facet of life, throwing a fit will only push people away more or get you a bad rep.
Not saying anyone here is throwing a fit, I'm just saying as a general analysis thing.
Personally I don't post for attention, just to archive my work, if I'm going to make something I may as well immortalize it on the internet. People can follow if they want, but attention isn't my intention, it's a bonus feature. Feedback is like a surprise present, full on detailed reviews is like when I forget it's my birthday and I walk into my surprise birthday party.
Although my mindset doesn't reflect everyone's, many people do post their work to show it off or to get feedback, and get disheartened with their efforts go unnoticed. Ain't nothing wrong with that, everyone is different.
As for the "create for yourself" thing, I guess it could interpreted differently depending on your outlook, like the "glass half full vs. glass half empty" thing. Also it depends on what it's in response to. If I'm trying to do emergency commissions because I'm about to be homeless and lose my pets to animal control, and I get that in response, it is super insulting. Of course no one is obligated to support me, but low-key telling me to stop trying to survive is unnecessary and rude.
If it's in response to me being ignored when posting something, I won't be mad because I don't feel I have the right to be as someone asking for another person's time.
This is just how I would respond, though! Not telling anyone how to feel, or what to do.
i have watched and read a lot of varying kinds of media so i know what i like. what i want is to write i story i would enjoy and be passionate about so that i can tell the kind of story that would mean a lot to me to someone else. its why i only write a bare bones outline with key story beats and character arcs and just rp out the rest like i'm playing a solo game of dnd. rule of cool is king but not at the expense of believably. i have to set up my cool moments not just whip it out like a drunken frat boy
We are all dealing with screaming into the void. personally, I genuinely find it helpful to focus on the idea of creating for myself first. It reduces anxiety for me. It doesn't mean I don't also care about attention and appreciate anyone else feeling anguish over that topic. I'm just communicating what works for me, usually. It's not intended to be patronizing, or insulting. I actually think of it more about having a growth mindset and as an aspect of internal motivation. (edit: which is potentially a valid thing to suggest someone think about if they are struggling with motivation as a response to lack of attention, which they very often are)
We're also none of us mind readers, and it is often hard to know what to say to help someone. Different people need to hear different things, and for some, there's nothing you can say.
Ooh, I agree with you 
Even so we're also playing with platforms that sell themselves as places to socialize, but in reality they are not set to make people feel comfortable and take the time to socialize.
They're set to keep attention displaying unbearable amounts of content, so more ads people consume and more money they make out of it.
We came to a time where socializing became an art. It's natural we're the ones noticing the most that change in society, artists are the ones that give the first step towards evolving, and so towards balance.
It's a good moment to spread awareness about all this stuff, new generations are worried about living a healthier life. Valuable social interaction should be part of that, no? 
Weeeeeell, I have not looked at my subscriber or views stats in months. My projects were not made with the intention of building auidences. I wanted to contribute the library of free-to-use content available to other writers, and that is what I did. Honestly, there was a period of being somewhat grumpy about a lack of readership, but I got over that. I kept reminding myself of my specific original goal, and I outgrew the emotional need for a digital audience. Now, I appreciate that every eyeball on my page is one less eyeball on the pages of fellow community members; attention is a finite resource that I simply do not need. I also stopped using Facebook altogether around the same time, and that helped.
I believe this to be true for me. It's pretty straight-forward. I mean, I do create a lot for myself, but if I share it then I do want a response of some kind.
Though, I am somewhat ok with not getting much of response after sharing. It's annoying and can let me down a bit for a while, but even if I did get nothing by sharing, I did get something by creating, and most of the time that something is enough to keep me happy. Which means that... ultimately, I do create for myself, and anything else is a nice bonus. And I care little about what others may think about that. 
I have a lot of art that I keep for myself. When I cook or come up with new recipes I don’t post them online, when I do make up for costumes or otherwise, I don’t post that online. When I draw on physical paper, I usually don’t share those or half the things I draw on my Zen board. I don’t share my crochet projects online.
But I do share my digital art and comic online, because I want others to enjoy it, and it’s nice to get feedback so you know people are enjoying it. Since most webcomic artist aren’t paid and it takes a large amount of effort to keep such a large project going while also working full time, a little attention is not to much to ask for.
Sadly art and artist are undervalued today. There is no shame in asking for a “payoff” be it attention or money. Anyone’s time is valuable, even if you enjoy what you do, you deserve payment in some form.
I think you meant- you have a right to ASK for attention.
And if your work is worthy enough, there should be an expectation of (positive?) feedback from those that have come across it. If that's what you meant, then - that sounds reasonable.
If it reads the way it's written, then the word deserve needs explaining.
And I would ask an open question, why does anyone deserve anything- in regards to art?
Warning: This is all stuff artists hate to hear.
Art is created by an artist. By ART, I mean the dictionary definition of art.
An artist is 3 things. Or, you can argue, 3 things are needed to be an artist.
1) (Enough) technical skill so the idea of limitations is removed from your work.
2) A keen judgement (or eye [it's called 'an ear' in music] or taste)
3) The ability to work = or great desire to create.
Art at its highest level is purely generated from those three things.
When someone suggests you create art for yourself, they mean stick to those three things.
To deviate is to bring in OUTSIDE CONCERNS and that usually dilutes your art.
The focus on being a successful artist leads to seeking glory and reward.
And in many cases compromises those 3 in an attempt to achieve greater exposure or acceptance.
Thinking about dumb-ing it down to be more popular? (kills #1)
Thinking about doing what everyone else is doing or what is popular (kills #2)
Comparing yourself to someone else and their greater success (kills #3)
I did a video or two about this kind of stuff.
There's a lot of downsides to social media and forums, as a whole, but that's another story for another day.
Artists create art; Van Gogh hardly sold a painting while alive. Lucky artists get paid for their work. Peace.
I mean you “deserve”, I will be so bold as say that. If you went to school to gain a skill and continue to improve your skill then you deserve a payoff. Just as someone who went to school to become a Librarian continues to keep up with changes in cataloging and improves their professional skill, deserves a payoff, and would be understandably frustrated if they continued to be unemployed or underemployed.
There is a trend of belittling or discouraging artist of any form, that have gained an education to not expect to be paid for their work. However in other professions the same “entitlement” is seen as logical. That is simply the point I was attempting to make. Anyone who works at a craft, be it in business or art should not be shamed for desiring “payment” in some shape or form. If that payment is just a little acknowledgment, then well thats rather cheap, and not much to ask for.
Of course I am assume that the artist in theory did indeed go to school, and is attempting to make a profession of their craft, and is taking it seriously, and it’s not just a hobby for them.
I work in a Library, but I share my art online in hopes of getting feedback because my end goal is getting published. Many people use the internet as a feedback machine if they are not lucky enough to have a community of artist around them. If my end goal was to publish a book then I would not have to share it online, because I have many gleeful and opinionated co-workers that would tear my manuscript apart. However many of them are not big graphic novel readers, so I can’t get the same feedback.
Everyone is assuming that the OP is asking for only positive feedback, but they are asking for acknowledgment. That comes in many forms, be it good or bad, one cannot improve their skill in a “vacuum” like started before. Which is why when taking art classes there is always a critique, and why the teacher requires students to speak and why speaking on critique day is part of your class grade. If you get no feedback then you are left wondering what is not working in your craft, and can’t improve it. With lack of feedback one must assume something isn’t working or not translating, but you won’t know if you should let the project go or not, or where to improve because no one has told you.
Not true at all. You should EXPECT, you should 'count on' you should be planning for....deserve....never....
And the word you want is COMPENSATED, not paid.
It's a hard concept to explain, but the idea is that ....
You get paid to do art. As opposed to ' you do art and THEN look to get paid for it/ from it.
That twist makes all the difference.
No assumptions, let's look at the OP then. They said:
I share it one my social media.
(no one owes you attention in any way shape or form.) Many of you (sorry to level this rude charge) think your ART is ABOVE any reader or viewer. You are a servant to them, your arts' [partial value] is determined by THEM, not you. You LOVE IT, buy THEY give it value. It's valuable to YOU, but it's value is decided by those who judge it or use it.
We've all looked at work from other popular artists and wondered why they get hundred of notes and we're getting none, right?
That is aspect #3 being broken. Which has almost NOTHING to do with your art. That is the heart-breaker! Hobbyist artists believe that MORE and BETTER art is the way to gain greater success. It is not. Take the test yourself. If you can name one thing that is successful and 'popular' but you (and your peoples) think it's trash, then #2 (your judgement) does NOT decide the value of that art. If you can name something that you LOVE, but it got mass attention and then passes over (A flop) then again, your judgement does not determine value. If you find a "great" piece of art in the world and no one is paying attention to it - then just making 'great art' is not a guarantee for exposure or mass feedback...or payment.
But when I get frustrated by the lack of
And that's where they should be -- frustrated- they deserve to be frustrated and that's about it.
Frustration is a FEELING. That is why they were getting advice about their FEELINGS.
Do art for art's sake or do art for the love - is how you counter that EMOTION.
Go back to the 1, 2 and 3 - points that I dropped.
Now, if you want to talk about PRO level- thinking we can do that, but THAT has nothing to do with this.
And has, almost nothing in common with this thread so far.
Even though you somehow compared having a degree and searching for work being close to doing art and deserving attention and support.
"Of course I am assume that the artist in theory did indeed go to school, and is attempting to make a profession of their craft, and is taking it seriously, and it’s not just a hobby for them."
This disclaimer doesn't get around that feeling or point of view. You are now assuming someone in that position STILL thinks like a hobbyist. To turn your hobby into a business or career or even any kind of money-making enterprise requires a massive mind-set change. Most can't or won't do it.
Understanding this video is an early step towards that.
I'll go further, but I already know this is forbidden talk. lol
Let me know.
@AVXP and @GabbieWolf
Just for clarity's sake since you're discussing what I was trying to say, although perhaps in an over long winded not over clear way. I'm an adult, I create because I enjoy creating, I continue creating no matter how much attention a piece gets. I get frustrated and disheartened when a piece I love, or several pieces I love in a row, don't get a single scrap of attention, even when I'm pushing myself to improve. (My point about looking at other artists is partly because I believe in looking at what's popular and learning from it, I regularly try to break down other styles and see what I can apply).
The entire point of this post is not whether I or anyone else deserves attention, no one owes you attention ever (although I will admit my teacher comparison was disingenuous because a teacher is paid to give you attention, the cake analogy is better).
The point is that telling people who are frustrated that they shouldn't want attention doesn't help anyone and invalidates the person's feelings as @DokiDokiTsuna said above. It would be much better to tell people something like "this is normal and here's how you deal with it or channel it into improving".
Also, I have created a separate thread where hopefully people can share things they're proud of that don't get any response and maybe other creators can help figure out how we can improve.
Ah, but in today’s world social media has become a part of being a “professional” artist. Many professionals have been discovered on sites such as Tumblr and Instagram so it is logical that putting effort into social media would get you a payoff. Considering that most advice given by successful artist (success in the sense of making a living off your craft, aka societal view of “success”) is to be active on social media and build an audience it is understandable to be frustrated if the only bit of advice one has is not working.
Again artist are seen as unsuccessful because they do not make money from their craft, but when they ask for compensation are seen as “ entitled “ when again such an assumption is not placed on other professions.
While others see social media as negative (which granted it can be) in today’s world is has brought in an artistic renaissance of its own. If you are not a hobbyist it is strategically beneficial to be on social media. Learning how to utilize that tool is important, but because of its newness it’s hard to figure out.
Being on social media doesn’t mean you sold out. Adapting to a changing market doesn’t mean you lost your passion, it means your business savvy. Sadly most artists are not good businessmen. I like fantasy and diversity in fantasy settings, that what I write. Urban fantasy has gained popularity I am aware of that because I am a consumer of fantasy, therefore instead of starting my focus on a long epic High Fantasy (which I enjoy as well) I start with an urban fantasy. I am not compromising anything as I am doing what I love regardless, but I am being more business oriented. Again I would not be able to do that if I did not socialize with others and just created in a “vaccum”.
Either way I hope you take no offense, I take non from you. I like a good debate, and we can’t learn and improve without a debate. We can’t create in a “vaccum” 
Ah, but in today’s world social media has become a part of being a “professional” artist.
Unfortunately, that is also misunderstood. Being active on social media is part of your overall plan (and many times even that is outsourced), I say PART of your plan, not THE plan.
And the advice of
"get active on social media" is just as bad as do art for yourself. Well, bad or good depending on what your understanding of the advice is....
I agree! That's because they are almost polar opposites in goals and methodology.
Very hard to balance the two.
It's like getting dating advice. We love to hear it, but never follow it. lol
