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May 2017

One suggestion I have is to have random similar comics recommended to the reader... Kinda like what YouTube has with similar videos when done watching a video you got 10 similar videos lined up.

YouTube's algorithm is even more target specific. Cuz for one straight week I watched nothing but street fights in the Philippines... And all my recommendations showed me just that specific type of fight video. As in no professional mma or boxing... Not even ghetto fights that end up on WorldstarHipHop... Lol

I suggest tapas do something similar.

I want that too, it would be lovely to see more content rise up, new creators get a chance, and it would benefit me too. It would benefit the whole site overall.
I was just making my response in the way I did because I see a lot of people who get really negative and weird in these kind of threads, suggesting "popular" creators (or someone who is making BL or gag comics) can just shit a page out their ass once a month and then, as us swedes say, "glide forth on a shrimp sandwich". I think we can help and promote smaller creators without shitting on the hard work that bigger or medium size creators put in.

We should want to help small creators because hard work deserves to be rewarded, regardless of how many subs that person has prior to the incident.

Well sure if it's a small browsing feature when someone is done reading a comic, but not a recommended section on the front page... those are always broken and I always get trash (like anti-feminism, bullying videos or anti-spiritual "debunking" videos) that pisses me off and makes me want to leave more than anything. Recently I've been almost quitting youtube entirely because of it. I turned off some things to change it, but the whole site just leaves a bad taste in my mouth now that refuses to go away.

I was actually referring to more of the marketing aspect of it, not the comics themselves. We all know networking and marketing is a big part of getting big in this business, so when websites are designed around fueling the comics that already have their marketing done for them in more ways than one (ex. through constant featured banners, ads for t-shirts, etc. basically everything on the front page of Tapas that isn't Popular/Trending) by consistently getting onto the Popular/Trending page, it ends up becoming minimal effort for the creator to do any actual marketing work. They're basically getting free advertising on the basis that it's netting Tapas coins and ad views and the like, and it's working. Meanwhile, those who can't break into the Popular/Trending section because of these huge series that update at least once a week (at the minimum) and dominate the front page for several days afterwards (until the next update when the cycle begins again) are just becoming unnoticed - and hell, there are definitely comics in this category that could rake in just as much, if not more money for Tapas, but it's the system that's screwing a lot of them over. Honestly, I'm sure Tapas is quite aware of how this system is currently working - and they're undoubtedly going to try to keep it that way, because it's making them money. It's just not a place for small creators anymore, and there hasn't been any sort of balance struck between small and large creators.

How bout this: No creator should expect to "deserve" anything. You work hard, and you get noticed. Don't blame Tapas or the system, or popularity, or the algorithim that your comic is unnoticed and you can't reach out. Don't blame any of the above that readers can't easily find your comic. Yes, the system may be unfair, and the website/company is trying to make money, but just live with it. It was your choice to host your comic on Tapas and not somewhere else.

YOU do the work so that readers can find you. YOU do the work so that you get up there somehow, someway on the Trending section.

Look inwards, not outwards.

There's a lot that's true about what you said. But there's no harm in pointing out that the Popular section, and other sections like it, are a positive feedback loop.

That's the point of those sections though. Otherwise the traffic gets unfocused and chaotic, and smaller artists can't "make it big" either because there is no way to make it big in a chaotic environment.

Those sections need to remain on the site. We just need to make the fresh section more visible.

If the solution to get on the trending page is forgo my own creative intentions that current readers have come to enjoy, then there is a problem. It's not a hard work thing. No one isn't working hard on their comics. It's an opportunity thing. There can be MORE opportunities that won't detract from the current ones that people enjoy thus far. Telling people to live with it is a close-minded and outdated form of thinking. Just because it's the way it is doesn't mean its the way it should be,. Change is good. Opportunity is better. Why not offer a variety of ways to connect niche comics with their audience? We shouldn't have to sacrifice values for visibility. This is the internet where small weird groups of people can find the thing they love. We need to make that more possible. Hardwork doesn't always = success. Great things are often shunted by mediocre but "relatable" things.

I JUST want more ways for possible audience connection. It's about sharing what we love with the people that could love it. This isn't about what we deserve. It's about making the best possible site for comic discovery.

Michael has since told me told me that he selects about 85 comics a month in the snack. So there is some selectivity there. And that is good. But thats 85 of 30,000 comics that are constantly updating and in only one small place. there's a 0.35% chance your comic will be a selected a month.

I don't think that should go away. There just need to be more variety of options for people to discover new series.I like the what has been suggested so far. If they could all be implemented that'd be fantastic. Though I realize a group of curators is probably the most difficult and ambitious of the options.

If you don't want to change, then go to another host site that will better accommodate your needs. No one is forcing anyone to stay on Tapastic. If you have a loyal following, no doubt that if you make an announcement that you've gone over to Smackjeeves or Webtoons or Hiveworks, your fans will follow you.

Many creators have already decided to pull their works from Tapastic after that recent storm involving the updated ToS.

Haha. yes. That is always the solution. Don't like something? Cut and run.

I'm trying to improve things for all comic creators. If you really have a problem with that, please tell me why that's a problem.

The topic of the thread is potential solutions - not "party A vs. party B". I'd like to stress that if you don't agree with the discussion in here, that's fine, but the topic itself is not to argue against it, but find possible ways to make things better for creators. Arguing it and saying "fuck it" is basically just a null and void part of the topic. It doesn't contribute, so it's not necessary.

So I'll leave it simply: There's no downside to what OP is looking for, ESPECIALLY when it's hypothetical and in no way concrete, so arguing it is both a waste of energy and a waste of discussion.

Everyone starting off should definitely keep this in mind. Webcomics are a 4+ year game. Everyone had to start at day 1 as a nobody. There's no cuts in the line. Everyone has to do their time and earn their place.

The thing is creators are seeing the same series promoted over and over (series that have earned being the top spots and rightfully so) to the point of exhaustion. Seriously how many tiles for GamerCat does the app need? There was at one time where we calculuated 30% of all space on the app promoted GamerCat. Thank goodness that changed because readers are going to think the site only has a handful of comics.

The issue is that all of these things have to be hard coded in and that takes time. Time seems really limited these days for staff, so they just leave everything the same day after day. Staff needs to find some way how they can make things automatically dynamic so that each time you visit the app it's somehow different. That is more engaging to the brain. For example, the tripping section, when was the last time it changed? We don't even explore the app any more, there's nothing new. We just go straight to the coin earning video ads.

Can't they code the tipping section to present 9 comics in rotation from a pool of 100, for example? Mix things up somehow?

If everyone had a "chance" of somehow being seen if they worked hard enough, that would go a long way to alleviating this. However as it stands right now, unless you get noticed by one staff member, you won't get any sort of attention on the site other than via Trending. Only having one way of "breaking out" seems to be far too limiting.

Which forces most comics that are not of certain genres to have to advertise. Some of us are spending $100s a month in advertising all of that traffic which not only benefits our series but Tapas as whole. If we're going to be making that kind of investment in Taps, one would think they could invest in making some changes to the app to make it more dynamic.

We've run the numbers twice and the possibility of being featured once in a year is 5%.

Also the 30,000 series number is out of date. 35,000 to 40,000 is actually a more accurate range. Tapas is adding approximately 40 new series a day and that number was quoted a while back when the desktop site did not have the current level traffic it's experiencing. The site is rapidly expanding. Traffic has doubled in the past year. Now with open publishing for books its likely going to double again. Look at Wattpad's numbers. That is where Tapas is heading.

Hey small-fry day-1 creator here to come give my 2 cents.

when I was uploading my minicomic I never felt like I was getting buried, sure I dont have 1000's of subscribers or anything but every time I updated I got new views and comments and subscribers, it's not like I was going un-noticed. Prior to posting my silly little minicmoic here I had basically 0 online attention except for from people who I knew IRL. The fact that I got any readers at all is a good sign for me.

This was totally not the case for me - while I was updating my minicomic it got into trending several times, and none of my episodes have broken 500 views, the most views I've gotten on any page is 249. My minicomic is a weird trippy thing that barely falls into any of the genre tags, and it's definitely not BL. This was in February of this year. So unless they changed the algorythms with the new site update, I dont think it's as difficult to break into treding as you say it is.

I'm no success story like @JohnVincent is, but like, I certainly wasn't "getting burried".


The "creator recomendations" program that came out of the Super Science Club sort-of achieves this, basically creators are encouraged to use their banner as an advertiesement for another comic. I dunno if that's quite what you have in mind, but it does the trick if you run a series.

IN GENERAL: the super science club thread covers a lot of the same ground that this thread does, and there are a lot of good ideas there about how to build an audience with the tools that we alread have available to us. (and a lot of long rants that I wrote that I dont entirely agree with anymore just a heads up)

Yes the current system has helped people and there seem to be a fair number that don't understand where I and the few others that have agreed with me are coming from but again I'm not trying to argue that the current system is flawed. I Don't think it is. I think the current system is great and has been wonderful for a large number of people.

I just think we are in a position to talk about additional tools. Great communities last long because they grow and develop to achieve the most versatile and functional environment. We have a wonderful set of site owners that listens and cares about their creators and fans.

The current everything can and should stay. Because it is great. I literally just want to spark potential growth in currently untapped markets of comics that are already available on this site. To give those great gems more opportunity.

If things are working for you already, then this topic isn't for you because you've found your niche and they've found you. This is for those that under current systems aren't noticed.

Agreed -there's always room for improvement, I think a lot of that improvement is currently on Staff's to-do-list as well.

I just wanted to chime in because it seemed like a lot of people are making things sound worse than they are, I dont think I found any particular niche for my comic or that the system is working better/worse for me than it is anyone else, but from the tone of the conversation it sounded like people were saying that the system was broken, and that's totally not the case.

I guess my point is that you dont have to make a BL/Gag a day/whatever genre is popular or have a pre-existing audience or something like that to get on to trending which is what a lot of people seem to like implying >_>

EDIT: For reference here's my minicomic3 since I keep bringing it up in case anyone is interested?

as much as I agree that discoverability here is a little cluncky,
have anyone ever thought that a large percentage of that 30k comics constantly updating might be junk??

even netflix, youtube, hulu has alot of junk,
and honestly, as a consumer, I got turned off by too many choices,
my brain just shuts down, and motivate me to go do something else if I'm presented with too many choices, which on a glimpse looks like theres more garbage than good stuff

I think that's the reason why the algorithm try to limit the amount of exposure to everything available,

although like a section of what recently updated would be good for reader to browse through