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[TAMAnnoying]

No I don’t really see your point, this choice was made by someone on the high end of things and right now the Tapas Team is working over time during A pandemic just to fix all the bugs. Right now with the lack of veiwership that will be happening I’m much more concerned that tapas focuses on fixing bugs then trying to change an algorithm that we >cannot< say is or is not working right now cause it’s has not been long enough to know and their is a pendemic happening.

[LordVincent]

I think you are missing the entire point here because Michael was not talking about a current algorithm, but a potential plan of cycling algorithms within a single section. We are not telling them to fix the current one while they are still working overtime, we are begging them not to mess it up further to begin with.

[TAMAnnoying]

I still don’t know how they would be “messing it up more” since again we don’t have any real data that things are better or worse but yes I agree that the algorithms are the least of their concern over fixes.

[KRWright]

we don’t have any real data that things are better or worse

I think you're not realising that a fair few larger creators are getting together and comparing details because they're worried - rightly so. A fair few have been whispering to each other to see if it's 'just them' or if it was the Tapas redesign, or if it's COVID. The thing is - if it's COVID - those same creators can compare it to their data on other sites and see if it holds up. If it only holds up here - as it is increasingly showing to be the case - then Tapas needs to move fast. The last thing that Tapas wants is for their larger creators to be forced to leave, whether they want to or not, in order to make money. Especially as many of those creators are going to be relying on that money more than ever due to COVID.

[TAMAnnoying]

What other comic sites do you really have to compare to besides webtoons which is known to have a completely different audience then taps?

If your checking these numbers with places like YouTube that’s a horrifying idea because more people will be prone to be watching streams and catching up on videos in hopes of feeling more connected to other humans right now.

You say everyone’s data matches but there’s plenty of creators I’ve talk to who’s numbers have gone up in comparison/not changed what so ever.

My problem is everyone is freaking out about an algorithm that can’t truly be known how it’s effecting the sight cause lots of people are dealing with a global pendemic. It just feels a >tiny< bit unfair to the staff

[KRWright]

What other comic sites do you really have to compare to besides webtoons which is known to have a completely different audience then taps?

I'm a novelist - so I'm comparing to Wattpad and Radish (I'm in both of their invite only programmes). So I can compare - yes - quite well.

[TAMAnnoying]

Well I honestly can’t say anything about novles as that’s not my tea, but It’s always been known that tapas isn’t great with its novles so I can’t do much but agree with you there. It’s very possible that since tapas now looks so much like a Webtoon clone people aren’t expecting to find actual novles here anymore? I honestly couldn’t say.

My consern is more for all the comic people freaking out when there’s no real way to check stats For some time as the only other site we have is Webtoon which has more younger audience and isn’t gonna help mature comics try to compare and contrast so early in the change and so late into this pendemic

[KRWright]

It’s very possible that since tapas now looks so much like a Webtoon clone people aren’t expecting to find actual novles here anymore?

It's not that. It's the way novels are displayed (very very few at the top of the page - almost half the screen is a menu on the novels side) and then the algorithm essentially pushing things... interestingly.

[TAMAnnoying]

almost half the screen is a menu on the novels side

Has that been reported yet? Sounds like a glitch

[KRWright]

No this is a clear design choice. Literally one novel and three featured novels appear when you click on the novels page - you have to scroll down to see more. It means that essentially the top spot gets a load of real estate, but if you're anywhere below the top 5 or so, you may as well be on infinite scroll.

[PixelEnchanter]

To be fair, it is the same menu as on the comics side. And also part of it is probably based on scaling of your screen. Here's what each look like for me.

[TAMAnnoying]

Ohhhhh yeah that. I noticed that but honestly I feel like I’m not the person to give input on it. I rarely read novles, however if I’m to be compleatky honest with you I actually much prefer it because the summery is front and center for me to see (unlike I’m comics where it’s hidden) so I can actually read summaries and decided on if I’d be interested in the story before I even click on it and have to read through sevral pages ( or guess if I’ll like it based on the pretty cover)

But I can understand why it upsets you

[KRWright]

That's still a pretty awful design choice as it basically limits advertising to VERY few spots - and also makes people scroll a lot to see anything. This hasn't been a popular decision on other novel reading websites either who moved towards this kind of system and algorithm and failed quite spectacularly with it.

I can actually read summaries and decided on if I’d be interested in the story before I even click on it and have to read through sevral pages

It would be better if people had a space to put a log-line in and included less white space. The title being clickable isn't needed (it should be on the cover), so essentially genre and log-line is all that's needed. Also number of likes is misleading - number of subs is a far better counter of quality as it shows how many individuals have subscribed rather than how long something is, but I digress.

[TAMAnnoying]

As a reader of novles I will agree to disagree with you cause I actually prefer this ^^” but again I’m not knowlaged on novel stats so shrug

[KRWright]

I rarely read novles,

As a reader of novles

Which one?

One thing that I know is that people DO judge books by their covers. Tapas readers are very driven by two things: Genre and Trope. So as long as your cover and log line is communicating those clearly, you're going to get the right audience for your books. Clicking through or hovering over to show the full blurb then would be a good addition - but most readers are not reading in-depth before clicking through and while this might change that behaviour, I wouldn't say it's indicative.

[TAMAnnoying]

Rarely a reader dose not mean “never a reader” love, but again, agree to disagree x3 I have few novles in my list but the new set up could very well encourage me to read more since the summaries are front and center.

[KRWright]

I dunno. I tend to market towards people who are regularly consumers of certain types of content as it’s quite rare to actually convert people to an entirely new medium when they have resisted it for a good few years when it’s only been a click away on the site. I don’t think it was the lack of blurb on the display page bothering most people (especially considering that it was available after one click - just as it is now to read the full blurb).

[TAMAnnoying]

Diffrent strokes diffrent folks

[Croik]

Am I crazy or is it a completely different menu actually? Comics is full width while novels has half taken up by Featured, because comics has Featured on the front page and novels does not.

[PixelEnchanter]

The original comment was about menus, which is the part along the top and that's identical between comic and novels. Although I do agree that there are likely much better ways of handling both menus and displaying series in general