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When i ask real stats, i mean real people who are active with your content. Not the total number of dead subs that don't check your content anymore.

For my current series in webtoons, my series "has" 1,260 subscribers.

My comic has been ongoing since 2019, so many of those are inactive. Since I returned in January from hiatus, these are my average stats per episodes:

Likes: 30 to 20
Coments: 2 or 1 comments.
Patreons: 1

As I'm concerned, those are the only people still following my content.

In Tapas, i have 102 subs but only got 5 to 2 likes per episode and one comment in total, since I returned from hiatus.

That's why I'm against the "milestone" mentality, it makes people think the total number means active support. It doesn't matter if it took you 2 years to reach x amount of subs, the only ones that matter are those that still care about your series in the present.

Every inactive sub or past month's views...

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surenlicious
Jan '21

Oh good lord. Uh...well my novel has 500+ subs, but I have 1 commenter, maybe 2-3 likes per episode. That's...it. i'll go back to my sock drawer now. XD

Jenny-Toons
Jan '21
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The longer I've been on the internets, the longer I find this to be common.

On average, around 10% or so of your audience will actually interact with you (sometimes even less). Some might leave likes, but not everyone really comments. Hell, some are basically lurkers who just binge and wait until the latest episode to comment. I definitely know I see-saw between being active and being a lurker. Not even with webtoons, but also with things like fanfiction and posting art online. I grew up kinda seeing that trend, especially on Deviantart.

As of now, my Webtoon stats are 13.1k subs for Our Universe.
My Tapas stats are 377 subs for Our Universe.

On average, I have around 400 - 600 likes/per episode, and around 25-40 comments, give or take. That's for Webtoons.
On Tapas, I have around 20-40 likes and around 10-20 comments, give or take.

Since starting Patreon in 2018 (?), I've had around 8-10 patrons, on and off.

Granted, I find that's because I don't really advertise myself as much as I could (or really update frequently). Feel if I did that even more, I'd have more interactions. But even then, I'd find that most of my engagement would be around 5%-10% or so of the total subs.

But this doesn't even count the people I've interacted with on Twitter or Discord. Some people send comments that way because that's just what they prefer. Not to mention, I still don't know if Webtoon shows ALL of the data. There was still that thing with them not showing international views.

Even someone with 1.8m subs doesn't really get every person commenting. Cursed Princess Club on Webtoon has 1.8m subs, but they average around 100K likes/per episode, and get around 4k comments. Course, that's a lot to someone who might only have, say 100 subs. But for what they have, it's still not everyone -- it kinda evens out.

Back when I was on DA, someone with 20K watchers would get around 1k likes and maybe 200 comments (that is, if it wasn't a back and forth between a few users). Again, at the time, I only had 137 watchers, give or take; but for their stats, it basically evened out.

I wouldn't say it doesn't matter in the long run. I'd just say that the internet has made it easier to realize that not everyone actively engages with each piece of your media. Or rather, not every piece of engagement we get comes from the same place. And sometimes? Sometimes you're not getting all of the data -- sometimes, it's just not as accurate as you think it is.

So I just...don't sweat it. I take it as I go, and that's been doing well for me so far.

thel3tterm
Jan '21

This is a really interesting way to look at it!

Here on Tapas I have 182 subs and 2 patrons that I didn't already know IRL.

On the week of a new episode, I usually get around 50 views, ~30 likes and ~8-10 comments.

Those numbers tend to gradually increase as other people catch up, with most episodes averaging ~120 views, ~50 likes, and ~20 comments after some time has passed.

I definitely have a lot of non-active subs, but I understand that a lot of people like to either binge read, or bookmark things to check out later. Or they find they aren't as interested as they initially thought and just forget to unsubscribe. (PLUS: A lot of readers are quiet! There have been plenty of times that I've silently followed series without leaving comments or likes. For a creator it's frustrating, and I know better now, but it doesn't mean that you don't have an audience.)

skicoak
Jan '21

Are you counting reads? Or just the interactive stuff?

rajillustration
Jan '21

Thing is, I don't really know if it's always the same person giving a like? And they don't really all do it on the same day. So I feel like to just say the numbers isn't really...accurate to what's going on. Like I deffo know my regulars, but I also have people that show up like once a month, read 5 updates, like em all, and then do the same thing again one month later. I don't always remember who those people are...maybe that's terrible of me? so I don't want to just present numbers because that might not actually be accurate for my % of active users if that number might be a different person each time.

Anyway, I second what @Jenny-Toons mentioned. For all the time I've been on the internet as well 3-10% is pretty normal for engagement. Places like twitter anything above 5% is like...phenomenal. Plus, the larger you get, the more followers you have, the more than engagement drops down to like 3% or less. That and like...you can have viral posts one day that get a bunch of views (and I've had some pages on my comic with 100+ views for like...no identifiable reason) and then the next day it's completely dead on the next update. The internet be like that. It's inconsistent.

And honestly I'm fine with that. If I got the same number of comments as I do followers constantly flowing in...that'd be so much time devoted to comments, haha. That'd be so weird! There's not many comics that have that many comments, it shouldn't be expected.

migxmeg
Jan '21

I read Webtoons for years without engaging in any way (sorry authors, I really enjoyed your stories :sweat_02:). Given that experience, I assume there are at least a few more readers than likes for any given episode.

Ordinaryaverageguy
Jan '21
Jenny-Toons

I notice something similar on a lot of YouTube channels. Larger ones may have 100K subscribers but the video Likes may only run around 10-15% of that at best. And that's just a simple click that people either won't do or forget to do.

kitkatxk
Jan '21

I average 200 views on my novel a day, I post daily. And I notice almost no one comments as in I get 1-2 comments a day, (that's generous actually most days are 0) The likes however, are fairly steady at around 30-50 likes a day. Subs fluctuate so much I don't even bother remembering.

I guess by your standards it means my work is dead hahaha.

A part of me wonders why I have spent 2years doing this too. So I feel you on your worries and doubts that the actual numbers are useless and no where close to what you wish they were for showing live activity.

ble
Jan '21
skicoak

Views? Well for January in webtoons, I got so far: 5,304, and Tapas: 348

And tapas views is still higher....compared to Youtube. Each video only made around 1 or 2 views, no likes or comments.

I don't really pay much attention to monthly views, I never got high enough for ad revenue (webtoon is like 40k per month, not even at my highest I got close enough to that)

For me views is like if someone checks your book in a bookstore and then returns it back, but the likes /comments /patreons is a better judgment of the people that actually decided to pick your book.

ble
Jan '21

Yeah, i didn't want to post in 2020, and also hiatus help me build a backlog, so i have content for 1 and a half month.