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Jun 2015

@ImSoEmzie, I think a free thinker is not a religion. But I think everybody could be a free thinker. Hmm... Not sure... Are you an atheist? Maybe? Or you might be just baptized or converted to a religion?

Agnosticism relates to what you know. Atheism relates to what you believe.

Therefore, since I don't believe there in a god, but also don't claim to know one way or the other, I'm an agnostic atheist.

Or atheist for short.

I had to read up on the difference between Agnosticism and Atheism before answering smiley I'm agnostic. But I understand that people need a belief to find comfort and support from things that are bigger than us puny humans. And people search for a context, relationships to others with a common belief to gather 'round. That's what I use Tapastic for! <3

I'm agnostic I guess. I'm not into religion, I believe in my own things, friends and family.

And what AnnaLandin said about Sweden can be said about most of Europe in my opinion.

I suppose that's technically correct, but in all my years in the atheist community, I've never once run into someone who would consider themselves a gnostic atheist.

I have, however, come across many agnostic theists (as in those who believe in a god, but don't claim to know for sure).

I mean, agnostic is, really, the only intellectually honest position to take on where a god exists, regardless if you're a believer or not.

Probably because the word "gnostic" is usually used to refer to a knowledge of god's existence, and a unity of existence with god. The phrase "gnostic atheist" does not really have any practical application, because anyone confessing to gnosticism believes first and foremost in a rejection of the physical world as imperfect and are committed to a search for a deeper knowledge of divinity - however one defines that divinity.

Atheists, on the other hand, are not searching for a unity with god, or a deeper knowledge of god's wisdom, because we don't believe god exists. Gnosticism is very much a religious position, whereas atheism is a non-religious one.

.... * hands thread back *

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I mean, agnostic is, really, the only intellectually honest position to take on where a god exists, regardless if you're a believer or not.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

I'm a Catholic, but my beliefs have become quite agnostic lately. I mean, what do we know? The universe is vast and we don't know everything about it.

Despite what Christian teachings tell me, I'm actually open to ideas and possibilities like life in outer space, parallel universes, the afterlife (that isn't strictly heaven and hell), the supernatural (#@$% me, Southeast Asia is quite a scary place for it), reincarnation, something that connects each and every person spiritually that isn't necessarily The Big Guy, etc.

To me, not being able to see it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist (No proof that it exists, and no proof otherwise either kind of thing). Strange things have happened and will continue to happen. I don't dismiss them fully. I just keep wondering and thinking as long as my mind allows me to. It's kinda hard to put a full-stop on anything.

I thought most of you atheists are gonna judge or criticize me for being a Christian, I guess you aren't bad after all sob

I understand the fear and worry. But people here are generally civil, thank God ^^;

There are decent atheists and militant atheists (a friend of mine calls them anti-religionists). The latter isn't uncommon and they can make discussions regarding religion on the internet rather unpleasant frowning . No one should be judgemental or hostile to anyone no matter what their beliefs are.

Don't worry, some atheists will respect you as long as you respect them too.

I saw this from a website about good atheists
You may read it as you can:

"But atheists who care about their fellow human beings and the good of humanity, and who honestly believe that a lack of belief in God leads to a better, more enlightened, and more just world, are not even atheists by the Biblical definition. That’s because even though they do not say “Lord, Lord,” they actually do the will of our Father in heaven by working to make the world a better place for everyone in it.

In short, to fully accept the Bible’s teachings about who goes to heaven, and specifically about whether atheists go to heaven, we must broaden our definition of God, and of belief in God."

Do you believe, relieved, not believe, deny?
We cannot please everyone.

To read full article, here's the link:


Me as a Christian, I was relieved! Hmm... Just read it open-mindedly but this article didn't offend atheists at all.

I'll respect your beliefs, @keac, as long as you respect mine - or my lack thereof. : ) I know and get along well with people of various religions, and I don't question their beliefs, and they don't try to evangelise to me.

It should be pointed out, though, that you (and the article-writers) might step on a few toes by saying that good atheists are not atheists by the Bible's definition; as a group, we do not believe in what the Bible says, and so labelling us with words from it is a bit iffy. Doing so denies us our right to self-definition, which can be upsetting. Saying that because "good atheists" do good things, they are doing the work of God, and will therefore go to Heaven - well, it is a bit like saying that because you as a good Christian are doing good things, you are therefore doing the work of Allah, and will therefore pass into the Muslim idea of the afterlife once you die.

I'm not looking to get into a debate on the merits of various religions or lack thereof, just pointing out that discussing the fate of an atheist's soul is completely irrelevant from an atheist point of view.

It sucks...
A lot of "Christian Beliefs" that millions of other Christians believe are not even written in the Bible:
Some Christians take a Bible verse too literally these days. But they don't even analyze it.
But even if I'm Christian, some of my other Christian friends are messed up, mate.

But let's just share it with one another rather than making a debate, you're right smile

I'm a die hard born again Christian. No denomination. Just a Christian who believes in the word.

This is probably the most chill thread about religion I've ever seen on the internet blush. Its cool to see what other people think and believe.

Also ill just point out that religion is a very sensitive topic, and one wrong step could escalate quickly, so be careful.

I know, right?! O_o

I'm also very worried about this still though, too. XD As long as we keep it "say what you believe but be cool with others' beliefs" as it's been going, then it's all good.