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I'm glad you found some use in it!! I think, given the right circumstances, it could be beneficial - especially if you use it as a guide (as long as you acknowledge not everything everyone says is going to be helpful)

The only reason I'm writing my novel is pure unadulterated selfish desire. I didn't intend to share it so it's not really edited for mass consumption I suppose. A lot of the points in that thread hit straight home, especially given the rambling nature of the first two episodes. I probably never should've even looked but part of me is always going to be curious and I should really learn better.

I will say, I seek out reviews if the person seems interested in actually giving out advice, rather than just being mean, and I take those reviews to heart. I love constructive reviews and people should ask for them only if they're ready to hear what the reviewer has to say. If you're not going to acknowledge the review/thank them honestly for their time, don't ask for a review.

Writers looking for artist posts tend to be pretty bad(not always, just mostly). I think the way they're phrased tends to be deceitful in the sense that when they offer to "split the revenue", it might mislead those who don't know better into thinking there's even a decent likelihood of making any money at all. If two people just vibe and want to work on a story together, that's great, but I think both parties are better off long term if they start out will full honestly. I just don't want to see young people getting scammed or not understanding the full scope of the situation they're signing up for.

Other than that, there's not really anything else here that bothers me. To each their own and if it's not my cup of tea(like sub for sub or threads that get super toxic/negative), I just move on, ya know? I get that not everyone wants to get into deep discussions/share deeper details of their story and that all of us want more views on these platforms that can be hard to get seen on, so I understand why those types of threads exist in the first place.

Yeah... I think most people are more inclined to be constructive when reviewing a specific person, rather than venting about general gripes. Not everyone, but most lol

Lol yeah I agree. This is why I usually tend to lean toward saying "Please be blunt as humanly possible" when I ask for critiques on tapas or even in a educational setting. Saying the work is all sunshine and rainbows won't help anybody grow and in a way while possibly giving a boost to the creator's confidence short term, it can really hurt artistic development in the long run.

Like I know I don't have 0 skill in terms of art but staying in this bubble like I have nothing I don't need to work on in said art will completely ruin any type of progress I could make in the future

I remember you and a few others giving me a critique on how to improve how my comic looks just from a paneling/readability stand point and have just been keeping it at the back of my mind every time I start the process for formatting for vertical scroll digitally and how much it helped just clean up how my comic is presented and flowed.

Quality vs Speed comparing threads.

As topics they always end up passive-aggressively throwing shade to their counterpart and tends to fall into the same divide in sentiment. Or just a one sided rally of people saying the exact same thing.

Speed - Perfection is evil, I'm just not trying to show off, sarascribbles vs wlop, not enough representation etc...
Quality - Artists don't practice enough, I work harder, sarascribbles vs wlop, not enough representation etc...

"thread on anything, talk about your characters and what makes them unique and how they can murder you"

Post: (link to work and nothing more) read to find out :grinning:

And I know I sound awful but.. posts from clearly really young kids asking why they don't have immidately 100 subs within the first week. Like.. I just feel bad, cus they went in with WAAY to high expectations..

Kinda like the kids thinking youtube gaming can still make them the next pewdiepie or dream nowdays

Sub for sub is definitely one that hits high on the list, a high subscriber count doesn't mean anything if that's all it is: no views or interactions across episodes.

Also like @Reveal said, comments that don't give constructive criticism and instead blindly praising a creator's work is another annoying one.

I'm definitely guilty for partaking in both of these, but as I've been here longer I see how these don't help and instead hurt.

If there was a way to block sub4sub threads specifically, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I remember doing sub4subs on deviantart, youtube, etc when I was younger and all that did was flood my feed with stuff I didn't care about. So yeah, I actively avoid those.

So apparently I was tagged here but the post is gone so I have no idea what it said ...

Anyway, I was thinking about how to clean up the forum a bit and thought maybe we could have monthly "drop your link" threads, much like those monthly "post your latest page" threads - but one ONE per month, where everyone can post ONCE, perhaps with a template (Title, genre(s), synopsis, link, maybe a few images or extracts from your comic or novel). I suggest monthly threads because otherwise they'd get overwhelming and no one would actually look at them, and people would just spam their links over and over again in order to be seen. It would be nice if important and monthy threads could also be pinned so people who just want to drop their link can find them right away and don't make their own, Idk if pinning is even possible though.
But doing all of that might create an overwhelming amount of work for the mods ...
Like, I think creative and interesting threads that ALSO contain self-promo should still be allowed (smth like "write a limerick about your comic or novel and drop your link" or "How do you approach this worldbuilding problem + drop your link if you like") because they can actually be quite interesting and frankly, I'm more likely to click on someone's link if they wrote something cool or interesting than just click on random comic or novel links with no further information. But a lot of people might use this as a loophole and create link dropping threads that only require a minimum amount of effort (like "What's your favourite colour + drop your link") so Idk ... it really depends on how much work the mods can take on.
But it would be nice in general if we didn't have so many threads with the exact same purpose - not even just similar themes, they just do the same thing.
Idk. I guess there are ways to clean up the forums but they all require a lot of work and the community is big and posts fast and there are A LOT of people who spam self-promo and sub4sub so I guess that's a big part of the problem.

The aspiring writer looking for a manga artist that's paid in split revenue truly irritates my soul. Like just how much do they think they will get out of revenue anyway? There's no way in hell I would gamble with that.

I don't mind that sub 4 sub exists, but I try to avoid it. I do want to promote my book, but don't want/expect people feel obligated to sub - if my work isn't to their taste then that's ok. I like honesty, so if you hate it, I'm cool with that. If you like it, and sub, then I'm over the moon.

The unpaid collab ones irk me. Anything with "looking for artist [Unpaid]" drives me nuts.

I paid my cover artist $900 USD; I paid my 'thank you' card artist $100 USD.

Both my cover and the card are beautiful. I had to wait months for the cover and it was so worth it...

People don't work for free...

There's an argument for sub for sub for sure, the problem is just replying to people at random in threads for such. I see this a lot on Post Your Latest Page or things that aren't about promoting any comics.

Complaint threads about things 95% of the forum dwellers don't like already. It's an unhelpful echo chamber.

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Sorry not sorry. I've seen these complaining threads so many times in the last almost 3 years I've been here that uhm...yeah.

I think sometimes having a thread where you can complain is good since it gives us all a space to rant or let out frustrations. I did want this to be a thing where people talk about stuff they don't want to see and things they do want to see but lots of people (including me) are complainers lol.

edit: sometimes it feels like there's a forced friendliness or positiveness(?) here on the forums and I need somewhere to release my negative energy :joy:

This thread reminds me of how cringey my first month after entry into the webnovel realm :frowning: I feel awful for having contributed to some of the things I now join in with you complaining about because ugh it's all truths being told! I was slow to learn...

Maybe you don't do this, but whenever something annoying happens in my day, I'll feel better after talking about it to my friends. I just think of this thread as the same. It probably won't fix anything major but it did give me some relief to know others have similar thoughts to me. And reading through some of these did help give me ideas of what to do and what not to do when requesting for collaborations.

Sorry if you hate these kinds of threads ◠̈ I just created it when I was bored at 3 am and there weren't any interesting discussion posts.